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Post by chantel on May 17, 2013 15:50:37 GMT
Anybody had any experience with DAP Collars or DAP Spray,been reccomended by trainer due to Riley been anxious in the car and nervous whilst out and about. We are having big problems with Riley in the car he vomits,wees, and shakes he is very distressed,at first i thought it was car sickness but i know now that he is very anxious and scared of being in the car. He also dosn't like going to his training sessions he will not go into the hall we have to sit outside in the porch area with him it really distresses him the trainer thinks that it is the hard floor she said it is common in rough collies but i have not heard about this and i did loads of research about this breed before i got Riley. At the moment i think he associates the car with going to training , all i know is that he is very nervous so i thought i might try one of these collars as it may help him in the car and whilst walking out and about.
Just wondering if anybody as used these in the past and were they helpful.
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Post by gladys on May 17, 2013 18:14:57 GMT
I've not used them for Cooper but the ones for the cats seem to calm them down. If you can get them at a good price I can't see the harm in giving them ago. Just to throw something else in to the mix, Cooper would get a bit shaky on training nights, car ride and then the class was a little much to take in when he was ickle. I used to give him Rescue Remedy about 10 mins before getting in the car. It seemed to work. You can get the one for dogs on:- www.amazon.co.ukThese products might be worth looking at although not tried them:- www.animeddirect.co.uk/search/all/Rescue%20Remedy%20for%20Dogs/relevance |
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Post by charlottte on May 17, 2013 18:44:31 GMT
I used spray on Jaspers blanket when I took him to Uni and he was kennelled. He seemed settled (once I was out pod sight) and when I went back he was lying curled in his bed. However he also had a thundershirt on so idk whether it was a mix of the 2 or if he just wasn't that bothered  |
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Post by migsy on May 17, 2013 18:58:34 GMT
My daughter used the DAP plug in for her collie at stressful times like bonfire night and house moves.She swore by it,so hopefully the collars and sprays would work well too.
As our vet said,(when Skip goes to the vets and hates it) "collies are intelligent and think too much". So if anything has upset Riley,he will remember it and what leads up to it.I know he is very young,so has something happened at his training class to upset him,perhaps the noise?(have never heard of a collie not liking a hard floor though,many homes have them) Being so intelligent,even the car ride to the classes will be stressful as he may dread going,as you are already suspecting this too.
Not all dogs enjoy training classes,especially indoor ones,they find them too noisy and stressful.My daughters young Lab was such a dog,and decided it wasn't the answer for him,so taught him his obedience commands around the home and during his walks.He has settled down very well and is lovely and calm,but in the classes,he got quite wound up.Just meeting dogs on normal walks is fine for him,but a number of dogs all at once at the training sessions was too much noise etc for him to cope with.Good luck,I hope you find the solution for Riley very soon.
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Post by orpheous87 on May 17, 2013 20:22:10 GMT
Ellie had a DAP collar on when we brought her home from the Dogs Trust centre. However, I don't think it really worked for her. She cried the whole way home - loudly. Even now she's not particularly good in the car. She shakes and cries too, which I assume is a form of travel sickness. The last two longer car journeys she's been on though, I've used these: www.dorwest.com/Products/SV/scullcap-and-valerian-tablets-for-dogs-and-catsThey're a little bit expensive, and depending on the weight of your dog, you might have to use a lot of tablets in one go, but the difference on those two journeys was fantastic. I gave her them about half an hour / forty five minutes before we left and even my dad agreed that she was nowhere near as bad as she normally is. |
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Post by tonib on May 17, 2013 20:26:13 GMT
I hope you find out what the problem is. I've no experience with the DAP as we have cats but their equivalent (Feliway) is regularly plugged in here & helps relieve some of the stress on a multi cat household & also bonfire night etc. noises. We also use the spray on the carrier for one cat who doesn't travel well (car sickness). It's not perfect but is an improvement. Another one we've tried is Pet Remedy www.petremedy.co.uk/ again available in diffuser & spray. That has also helped & might be one to try. No collar version. Good luck |
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Post by SarahHound on May 17, 2013 20:27:10 GMT
I used it once for Todd and fireworks, we had the plug in and it did absolutely nothing.
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Post by chantel on May 18, 2013 6:35:59 GMT
Thanks Guys And thanks Migsy - just like your friend we are going to do our own training with Riley,we don't feel we can put him through all the stress it is just making him worse in the car,at first during car journeys he was just a little sick but since starting the training sessions he is much worse it is quite destressing to see him in that state.We feel we have gone backwards now instead of moving forward so i think we are going to leave the classes i just can't put him through it i don't know what the problem is as he loves the other dogs and people like i said the trainer thinks it is the hard floor but i am not sure as we have a hard floor in the kitchen where he sleeps and the breeder where he was brought up had hard flooors through out her home. The training was only ever for fun and having dogs in the past i have good knowledge and plus we have a field on the back of our house. |
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Post by charlottte on May 18, 2013 7:06:19 GMT
Ginger is supposed to be good for car sickness Doing your own training sounds like a good idea. That way he'll be able to meet polite adult dogs as well and take it all at your own pace. The thing I've noticed with most puppy classes is that there only seems to be socialisation opportunities with other puppies when pups need to learn how to interact with friendly (and less friendly) adult dogs too. Let us know how you get on! I bet he's getting big now! |
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Post by migsy on May 18, 2013 9:37:51 GMT
I am sure you are doing the right thing chantel.I was very surprised at Sams reaction to the training classes as we have always taken our dogs to training for the fun and camaraderie of it.But as I have said,slowly and quietly
worked best for him.
As we know,collies are very sensitive,and the last thing we want to do is risk breaking their spirit.I hope, like Sam,Riley soon forgets what upset him.Good luck,
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Post by gladys on May 18, 2013 18:36:44 GMT
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Post by chantel on May 19, 2013 8:45:41 GMT
Thanx for that Gladys i am going to try the spray, i went to look at the collars yesterday at pets @ home but they only last for 4 weeks they are quite expensive for the time they will last. Our main problem is in the car he is much worse than he ever was, but i think he is associating car journeys with training at the moment so we have to start right back from the begining. Its going to be a very long road.
Thanx x
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 19, 2013 8:49:12 GMT
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Post by gladys on May 19, 2013 22:18:15 GMT
You're very welcome chantel.  Well I guess you know what to do, sit in the car and treat. In car engine off. engine on. Treat. Treat. Treat. Up the road and back. Round the block and home. some times getting out of the car some times not. Treat. Treat. Treat. |
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Post by chantel on May 20, 2013 14:51:22 GMT
Yes Gladys, we started this weekend sitting Riley in the car with me at the side of him like we normaly do and i gave him his kong filled with sausage and toast which he loves. We all sat in the car as normal but my hubby didn't even switch on the engine or the radio. Riley was a little anxious but he did have a chew on his kong (although standing) we gave it 10 minutes then we got out with riley.. Later on we put him in the car and just went down the road and back he was quite anxious and was licking his lips which is normaly a sign he is going to throw up. I think it is going to be a very long long road.
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