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Post by gladys on May 21, 2013 9:53:08 GMT
You may be surprised. After a scare Cooper went through a worry stage and got a bit sick once in the car. I took it slow like I mentioned above and it only took a week.  Good luck and keep us posted. |
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Post by Pawsforthought on May 21, 2013 10:16:35 GMT
Hi chantel, I haven't read all the posts because I'm very tired, but I feel I have some advice to offer you.
My grandparents' border collie Holly was also VERY nervous in the car. A lot of collies hate cars and are afraid of them. I kept telling my nanny to just take her in the car and go for lots of walks but she didn't believe me that it would work and just never took her out, except to training.
Then one week we (my brothers and I) stayed with them, and we took her out in the car almost every day for a walk. She very slowly improved, she used to yelp and bark in the back, pant and be sick. She goes in the car happily now, and since nanny started taking her out all the time for walks, there's never been a problem since.
Sitting in the car is a good idea, but I think the best way for a dog to learn that the car is ok is to drive a short distance every day for a walk. Monty and Woody both also got over the car like this. With Monty, he used to yelp and we all ignored him and drove to the common every day to walk him.
It's VERY common for a young collie, especially when they begin to become adolescent pups and no longer babies, to be very nervous at a lot of things. I would suggest taking him to places where he'll experience a lot of stuff he's not too keen on. Give him lots of treats and attention and stuff.
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Post by chantel on May 21, 2013 12:24:19 GMT
Took Riley around the block to Mum in laws only a very short journey,he was a little anxious but i kept offering him small pieces of cheese that i had prepared for him although he was a little anxious he was more interested in his treat bag. He loves going to his nans as they have a westie called eric that he loves so i thought it would be a good idea to take him around in the car that way he has something he likes at the end of it.
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Post by gladys on May 21, 2013 12:58:53 GMT
Sounds like you are getting there. I do think that sometimes the car ride should just be a car ride and other times it means an exciting visit or a walk. If you are always getting in the car for an exciting walk that can also make dogs become sick or over excited in the car. If they learn to just enjoy going out in the car that should make for everyone being happy. |
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Post by charlottte on May 24, 2013 17:13:40 GMT
Chantel, I read something in one of my books about fear/anxiety in the car and I marked the page meaning to post on here. I'll have to have a look for the book and get back to you and let you know what it says |
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Post by chantel on May 24, 2013 18:04:03 GMT
Thanx Charlotte that would be great :-)
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Post by chantel on Jun 2, 2013 15:35:15 GMT
:(Well we have had big problems this weekend with Riley for some reason he has developed a phobia with the kitchen floor that is tiled and the hall way that is laminated. He had this problem when we were attending training classes he would not even go into the hall where the training was taking place we had to sit in the porch with him and throw treats to encourage him to go in the hall but he was to stressed out he wouldn't even entertain entering the hall which was a wooden floor. The trainer said that collies and shelties had a phobia with hard floors but i had never heard this before and Riley was fine with our floors in the kitchen and hallway. Since attending training classes Riley has become very nervous especially in the car which i think he associates with training classes, we have since decided to put an end to attending training and i am training Riley myself the classes have done more harm than good. But for some reason this weekend Riley has developed a phobia with the hall and the kitchen which i don't understand has he always been fine with our floors never a problem before,last night Riley would not even walk through the hall into the kitchen for his tea he was really frightend and his back legs were shaking like crazy my hubby had to carry him in, then this morning he was even worse so i have a long runner like rug that i have in the spare room and i have placed it on the hall floor and he seems to be fine now and he isn't too bad on the kitchen floor i just am puzzled why all of a sudden out of the blue he has developed this phobia and wonder if anyone else has come across this.  |
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Post by charlottte on Jun 2, 2013 17:24:34 GMT
Yes! Jasper is like this.
We have laminate in the kitchen and he walks back and forward fine, then he'll skid on the floor and then he won't entertain going over the floor. Jasper sometimes skids when his nails are too long and he can't get a grip
Is it possible that he's skidded on the floor?
Funnily enough, the only dog we get in at work that doesn't like the floor is a Rough Collie, we have to put towels down for him to walk on.
Sorry I haven't posted the other thing from the book - I WILL do it tonight!
We've also had to put a rug down on the floor for jasper, it usually resolves itself with him after a while but he's never seemed as frightened as Riley.
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jun 2, 2013 18:38:42 GMT
Poor Riley, chantel - as a puppy Earl was slightly wary of the laminated tile floor in the kitchen... I don't understand why he has developed a SUDDEN phobia however. Was he ok before? Has he had any scares whilst on the laminated tiles? |
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Post by caz2golden on Jun 2, 2013 20:09:17 GMT
Like charlottte put are you sure he has not slipped at all even if it was just a minor one?
Even a minor mishap may have resulted in uncertainty of the floors.
The runner sounds like a good idea to me.
Will let him move through the offending rooms for a while and build his confidence. You can them shorten the area the runners cover and see if he can cope with the short sections of uncovered floor then.
He does sound like he is a very scared puppy of the floors. Poor Riley.
I am sure with a lot of patience he will pull though this.
I have never had this particular issue so unsure I can advise anything useful. Sorry.
My mums dog was scared of everything, lost count how often we stopped and had to lean against a sign, or touch something that had moved since the last walk !! Must have been amusing to onlookers!!
Have you tried walking him on the floors on lead? Maybe he will get confidence from you as such leading him around. Guess no good saying tempt with food as obviously he is scared enough for food not to overcome the problem (considering he would not go across for his meal)!
Do Rough Collies go through natural fear stages! Maybe he is going through one of these if they do.
Goldies get two fear stages when they are more sensitive to things which can result in fear responses.
Good luck with getting him less fearful of the floors.
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Post by chantel on Jun 2, 2013 20:24:51 GMT
Thanks Guys Riley does seem to have a few fears but it is something we will have to work on. I am more concerned at the moment regarding the car issues but that is something we are working on too, its a real shame as i am on leave this week and we would have liked to take him to the coast for the day but their is no chance of that yet. So i am going to focus on his walking this week although he is doing much better with that.
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Post by longhope on Jun 3, 2013 22:03:45 GMT
Hi Chantel, sounds like you got your hands full with Riley. How old is he and how long have you been taking him out in the car? Also do you use a cage?
My sister had a similar problem with collies she had in the past, she worked through it and they ended up travelling well in the car (these collies she had as rescue, so not from puppy stage).
I have noticed Lotty is becoming resistant to getting in the car, mainly since the weather has warmed up (she's now 9 months old). Travels in the back of the estate car in a cage, I may need to revise this during the warm days.
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Post by chantel on Jun 4, 2013 6:25:29 GMT
Hi L/H Well riley is 22 weeks old today and we have taken him out in the car from day one back then he was only ever sick but since training sessions he has become more fearfull. Riley will not entertain a cage we bought one when we got riley and he became very distressed when we put him in in, he then started using it as a toilet. So we have taken it down now.
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Post by charlottte on Jun 4, 2013 10:13:07 GMT
Ah, sorry its taken so long to post! I went to get that book the other night and couldn't find it anywhere! I only just found it in my laptop bag, where I obviously thought I'd remember it -.- It's from Barking: The Sound of a Language by Turid Rugaas, so is explaining why dogs bark in the car but there was something in general. It says that puppies can get car sick because their balance systems aren't fully developed, but this apparently passes as the dog gets older at about 6months (I cant remember if you said Riley got car sick or just nervous, I should have really read the thread back before I posted lol). It then says that if the pup has been car sick before they might begin to feel car sick at the sight of the car because they remember how unpleasant it was and that it may cause negative associations with the vets or training classes because of the unpleasantness of feeling car sick. Which could also contribute to his nerves. It says you can help by taking only short trips so he doesn't have time to become car sick. Make those trips pleasant so for walks, to meet friends etc (which is what you've already done by ruling out training classes ) And it also says that sometimes having the pup in the front of the car in the footwell (I don't see why being harnessed to the seat couldn't be an option either though) can help as sometimes sitting further back in a car can cause car sickness as the movement gets worse. Hopefully it's relevant |
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Post by chantel on Jun 4, 2013 11:32:29 GMT
Thanx Charlotte well Riley started with car sickness but as time went on he became very anxious drooling,panting, weeing, and then he would be sick, So i don' t really think it is car sickness especially as the tablets we got from the vets don't work. He is normally harnessed on the back seat he is too big to sit in the footwell we have already tried that.
Yesterday i put him on the back seat un harnessed left the windows down a little so he could get some air and i just took him around the block we were only 5 minutes and he seemed ok then i praised him and gave him a treat. I have done the same thing today but we went a little further and he was ok. So i am trying to do it each day but pheraps extending the journey each time.
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