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Post by gypsy on Feb 16, 2016 23:58:56 GMT
Commiserations and welcome to the club caz2golden . LOL. Jaws had acute pancreatitis few weeks ago. She was put on Roayl Canin GI low fat diet, then the vet said I could feed her anything as long as it was low fat. 7% or less. For the rest of her life. For a few days I fed Naturesmenu Country Hunter tins (6%), also some of Lilys Kitchen tins. Naturesmenu Country Hunter nuggets are only 4 %, lots of other Naturesmenu is quite low fat. I am, at the moment, trying to find the fat content of all the things I used to feed, so I can start including some of them as Naturesmenu is 40% fruit and veg, doesn't fully satisfy her. Natural Instinct have a special low fat diet, and couple of the Country Banquets are low also. I couldn't find anything suitable in Nutriment, although, with careful calculations, I can mix some in with the Naturesmenu. Paleoridgeraw are probably the best website for quoting fat content. Rabbit is very low, but can't get any at the moment. If you don't mind feeding food with rice, Wainwrights have a simple 4 ingredient frozen raw diet, again quite low in fat (4% I think, can't check as have used all mine up) Naturesmenu raw catfood is also low in fat. Hope you get Gypsy sorted soon. Personally I prefer Natural Instinct though. www.naturalinstinct.com/special-diet-raw-dog-food |
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Post by zahada on Feb 17, 2016 0:04:19 GMT
Thanks, as I was only looking for foods with 7% or less, I disregarded that one. But I guess I could include some with Naturesmenu to 'beef it up'  . |
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Post by gypsy on Feb 17, 2016 0:12:42 GMT
I've seen some really great results with Arden Grange Sensitive Wet Food (2% fat) but of course being wet, its not what everyone wants to feed. Several small meals a day rather than one/two large meals. Probiotics are very useful too. I've found dry diets particulary of the high grain variety are the worst for conditions like pancreatitis.  |
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Post by caz2golden on Feb 17, 2016 19:13:56 GMT
Commiserations and welcome to the club caz2golden . LOL. Jaws had acute pancreatitis few weeks ago. She was put on Roayl Canin GI low fat diet, then the vet said I could feed her anything as long as it was low fat. 7% or less. For the rest of her life. For a few days I fed Naturesmenu Country Hunter tins (6%), also some of Lilys Kitchen tins. Naturesmenu Country Hunter nuggets are only 4 %, lots of other Naturesmenu is quite low fat. I am, at the moment, trying to find the fat content of all the things I used to feed, so I can start including some of them as Naturesmenu is 40% fruit and veg, doesn't fully satisfy her. Natural Instinct have a special low fat diet, and couple of the Country Banquets are low also. I couldn't find anything suitable in Nutriment, although, with careful calculations, I can mix some in with the Naturesmenu. Paleoridgeraw are probably the best website for quoting fat content. Rabbit is very low, but can't get any at the moment.
If you don't mind feeding food with rice, Wainwrights have a simple 4 ingredient frozen raw diet, again quite low in fat (4% I think, can't check as have used all mine up) Naturesmenu raw catfood is also low in fat. Hope you get Gypsy sorted soon. I would email Sharon and ask, if she has some she will put it to one side, then on the online order put X packets of rabbit as agreed and she will invoice you separately for them before dispatch. She mentioned roo and zebra, both are low fat. Been looking at the nutrimeat rabbit dinner which on face of it looks to be lower fat than the 'special diets' for Nutrimeat and Natural Instinct but its is OUCH on the pocket and beyond my budget other than for treat. On the face of it the Natural Instinct chicken banquet is also below 7% fat. Rice I don't think suits her so we currently doing cooked sweet potato broccoli and cooked chicken. I have been at a training course today and dad implied poo was a better colour today but not normal yet so we might be heading in right direction! This meant I missed the vet appointment but vet wrote some notes to my questions. He did think a enzyme supplement and a pre/probiotic supplement would be a good idea but gave no names of products to look at! One question Zahada gypsy , is the 7% fat dry weight or as fed? |
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Post by zahada on Feb 17, 2016 20:08:13 GMT
caz2golden I can't answer your question as I don't know the answer. I will check with the vets. I assumed as fed. I showed one of the vets the sleeve from the NI low fat diet and he said - 'yes, easily digestible, low fat, that's OK.' So I hope they haven't failed to give me the full and correct advice.  Re Nutriment rabbit - I can't find it in shop, and don't want to do an online order as have loads of stuff in the freezer that Jaws can't eat and little one will take years to get through .... How's Gypsy today?
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Post by caz2golden on Feb 17, 2016 21:12:01 GMT
I am in same position, got things but nothing is right for her! Just worked out no more tracheas for her, too much fat Though was hoping green tripe would be ok as it naturally has things in it which help digestion, but all the ones I have found with fat% are too high! I think it must be as fed as looking at dry weight values it just would be an impossible target i.e if I have done maths right NI special 76.3% moisture 4.6% fat (remove moisture 100-76.3 = 23.7) so 4.6/23.7 = 19.4% She seems ok zahada. She is constantly looking for food !! She is alert and bright (not missing a trick) She has lost some weight which was not needed. I usually try and keep her 25kg-26kg and at the moment she is 24.4 kg. Don't want her losing anymore. |
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Post by zahada on Feb 17, 2016 21:21:32 GMT
Yep, hunger seems to be caused by the low fat. I've never known any of my dogs to be urging me to feed them. But now!  Demanding, wittering, leading me into the kitchen where the food is defrosting..... And keeping weight on means feeding more - that's what the vet said. Tripe is high in fat, but could be fed in small quantities with low fat diet. I think I have a formula for that. But need to go now, might not be back on here tonight. Also I am compiling a list of foods with their fat content, happy to share with you. |
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Post by caz2golden on Feb 17, 2016 22:16:07 GMT
Would appreciate that.
Been making lists myself but have not complied a full list yet.
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Post by chantel on Feb 19, 2016 14:02:29 GMT
Arrrr so sorry to hear Gypsy is not well.this is something I am not familiar with but I know probiotics is good.my late dog was diagnosed with ibs and I was told by the vet to give her a tablespoon every morning it did seem to help her.i'm sorry I have no advice for you but I hope Gypsy gets sorted out very soon.our furbabies bring us so much worries.mine are my fur kids and I just go into a blind panic when I know they are not well.
Get Well Soon Gypsy xx
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Post by caz2golden on Feb 20, 2016 21:46:49 GMT
I am planning on getting the special diet and a few of the chicken banquet Natural Instinct.
Though first I have decided to see if she can handle some raw chicken breasts with her cooked veg, if that goes well will take the plunge on the NI minces.
Was looking at the natures menu country hunter nuggets. Got a little confused when I realized all the range are the same protein and fat levels as each other i.e 13% protein and 4% fat! Would have expected some variation when you think they are duck, rabbit, venison and chicken/salmon! Unfortunately one of the ones I have in is the duck and I had mentally written off duck and lamb. Weighing up if I should trust the packet to be 4% fat or not!
Was messing about on their webpage and was surprised to see the duck wings are supposedly 7% fat!! I know chicken wings are 20%+ (more like 27%) fat so I just assumed duck wings would be similar!
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Post by zahada on Feb 20, 2016 22:16:43 GMT
I too found a lot of confusing info. I find it very strange that duck wings and necks are less fatty than than those of turkey or chicken. I spoke to my vet, who said most foods fat content was calculated as dry weight matter. Why would raw/wet food manufacturers calculate the fat content as dry weight? Anyway, he assured me that as long as I feed food that states 7% or less I am doing the right thing. I think it's time to get some info straight from the horse's mouth - the manufacturers themselves. So I will be emailing them very soon. |
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Post by orpheous87 on Feb 20, 2016 22:29:00 GMT
I was thinking about the duck wings earlier on while I was portioning some food up. I put some duck wings into a few tubs and they really are very, very skinny i.e. not much meat at all. But the skin itself should, in theory, be fatty but I guess it's maybe a bit thinner or something so not much room for fat. When you think about it, a duck wouldn't have much use for fat wings I suppose!
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Post by caz2golden on Feb 20, 2016 23:09:34 GMT
I have emailed Natural Instinct but have not got further than them really!
I probably should be questioning the Natures menu stuff not that I am really planning on using it long term, but it is an option at the moment. Though I probably should be trusting what it says rather than second guessing it with knowing duck is generally a fatter meat than some of the other protein sources in the other nuggets.
I have had useful advice from Paleoridge but that was not product specific just general information.
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Post by zahada on Feb 21, 2016 12:44:29 GMT
I have emailed Natural Instinct but have not got further than them really! I probably should be questioning the Natures menu stuff not that I am really planning on using it long term, but it is an option at the moment. Though I probably should be trusting what it says rather than second guessing it with knowing duck is generally a fatter meat than some of the other protein sources in the other nuggets. I have had useful advice from Paleoridge but that was not product specific just general information. Would you be prepared to share? Save me from emailing them? Would be most grateful.  I am actually using a lot of Naturesmenu at the moment, she's looking good on it, well, she doesn't get just Naturemenu, but it forms the bulk of her daily rations. She gets all the raw nuggets, banquet and hunter range except lamb. Some of it contains rice, but my vet said that fibre in the form of brown rice was good. Also the food that has rice has stops her from being sooooooo hungry. I had a formula worked out for making up my own meals, however, the dry weight matter talk made me doubt myself. I'm not actually sure what that is about. So an explanation would be most appreciated, please. The protein content of the nuggets range does differ, as does the fat content. But none of the ranges I looked at, the analytical constituents add up to 100%. So what ingredients are there that are not listed? |
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Post by caz2golden on Feb 21, 2016 18:48:01 GMT
It was when I just found out and had no idea at all, so was basics, but I found it useful i.e just saying to stick to low fat product, that it was best to avoid lamb and duck (assume as they tend to be fattier meats) and to stick to as lean cuts of any meat you get. If you are on facebook and on the Paleo group page then you should be-able to see the comments. Obviously on her website the roo and zebra are low fat. I have not decided on the diet yet! I am currently thinking mostly NI with some of paleos bone free chunks with coked veg etc to lower bone if the NI turns out to be too high bone! Best description for dry weight I have come across is on this website. www.dogfoodadvisor.com/choosing-dog-food/dry-matter-basis/ Hope it helps. |
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Demanding, wittering, leading me into the kitchen where the food is defrosting.....
