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Post by migsy on Jan 19, 2016 0:07:03 GMT
I remember a thread quite a while ago about a new booster vaccination having a really bad effect on some dogs,causing fits etc,it may have been from smilesbetter,but can't honestly remember.I know Collies can react badly to anaesthetics and some medications,and I have been meaning to enquire about what the problem with some of the vaccinations were before Skip goes for his(being a Collie).As he is now registered with a new practice,and due to his age,I definitely don't want to risk the same happening to him.I will need to ask if the new vets use the same as his previous vet as he has been o.k. with that.I would rather him not have his boosters if there is the slightest risk to him. |
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Post by scallywag on Jan 19, 2016 7:04:02 GMT
Wasnt it Lepto 4 ? Think zahada posted about that too, but I could be wrong. Strange how these things get mentioned just before I'm due to take Beau for his  My previous boy Tobi and girl Trinket were not boosted after age 8 my vet said it wasn't necessary as they had built up enough resistance over the years, not sure if that's correct thinking on his part or what. Beau has regular visits in Kennels so he has to be done. Good luck migsy with your decision x |
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Post by caz2golden on Jan 19, 2016 12:32:20 GMT
We have had lots of threads on L4 Think these are the main ones yourpetforums.co.uk/thread/5457/lepto-4-vaccination yourpetforums.co.uk/thread/4248/warning-over-new-lepto-vaccine Other threads include yourpetforums.co.uk/thread/7218/leptospirosisyourpetforums.co.uk/thread/6920/vaccinationsyourpetforums.co.uk/thread/6609/l4 Both of mine had L4 for first time last year. They had everything last year as it was a core and non core year. Mine have seemed ok after having it. However a friends dog (lab) who has had L4 2-3 times now does have fits and I am not convinced its not related to the vaccine after reading things on here. It was a long time after the first vaccination that he fitted, but last year a fit occurred within days of the booster! My friend has raised the concerns and repeats it every time she sees the vet but her vets categorically deny it can be related to the vaccination! I think most of the members who have reported an issue have been labs. I am questioning if I should booster this year. I will go and have another discussion with the vets. Mine are due next month but I will be pushing Booster to March anyway as my vet has a 'grace' period which I now take advantage of to reduce over a number of years the number of vaccinations my dogs get. I am thinking of doing bloods before vaccinating this year as such to give them an MOT. I always feel I am between a rock and a hard place with vaccinations. I would never forgive myself if they had a bad reaction to a vaccination but would also never forgive myself if they got something that the vaccinations would prevent. I would prefer to do cores only but if you miss a year or so the vets I have gone to would insist you start whole process again and to me that could be worse than yearly boosters! I obviously have the allergy issue too and part of me thinks that as they are not 100% healthy I never know if they should be vaccinated. From what I have read online Lepto vaccinations have the highest incidence of reactions. Though I can not comment as to if L4 is worse than L2 for reactions. Migsy, as Skip is older can you say to your vets that you want L2 only and dont want to risk a new vaccination with him at his age? I would also question due to age what is in his best interests. Good luck at getting honest advice from your vets to help you make the correct decision for Skip. |
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Post by zahada on Jan 19, 2016 19:32:41 GMT
Last time my dogs were vaccinated I asked for L2, but unfortunately next time it will be L4. I expect, eventually all vets will be forced change over to L4 as vax manufacturers will all stop producing L2, as not to be seen to be behind the times.  And it won't stop there! L8 next? |
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Post by gypsy on Jan 20, 2016 0:44:08 GMT
Wasnt it Lepto 4 ? Think zahada posted about that too, but I could be wrong. Strange how these things get mentioned just before I'm due to take Beau for his My previous boy Tobi and girl Trinket were not boosted after age 8 my vet said it wasn't necessary as they had built up enough resistance over the years, not sure if that's correct thinking on his part or what. Beau has regular visits in Kennels so he has to be done. Good luck migsy with your decision x Sounds like a very enlightened vet.  |
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Post by AnnaAmber on Jan 20, 2016 16:22:55 GMT
Amber & Wilson (who only had the initial puppy vaccines) were last vaccinated in 2013 and we had them titre tested today and they both came back as having immunity for all three core diseases. We decided not to do either Lepto or Kennel Cough as we felt the risk of the vaccine outweighed the potential benefits.
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Post by migsy on Jan 20, 2016 23:32:06 GMT
Thank you all so much for your input,and caz2golden for your advice and finding the relevant posts.I knew there had been threads on this subject way back when,so massive thanks for that. When our Cocker Spaniel was getting on,(can't remember exactly at what age) the lady who ran the boarding kennels we used at the time advised us not to bother getting his boosters done anymore,for reasons given by others that he must be well protected at his age.(He lived to be 16.5 years old). I will probably have a chat with the vet,but I think I too am doubting if it would be in Skips interest now he is 13.I have been trying to wrack my brains about what caused smilesbetters Rosas illness crash,I know it was very sudden and remember poor smiles left in panic waiting for her flight home when she first heard the news. p.s. yes the LEPTO 4 did mainly seem to affect Labs,but after hearing about Collie breeds having to have special care with anaesthetics and certain meds I am very wary.Even one of Skips worming treatments had a special warning (printed on the INSIDE of the pack) when using on Collie breeds.Needless to say I didnt dare use it and was quite cross to have been given it. |
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Post by gypsy on Jan 21, 2016 0:32:22 GMT
Thank you all so much for your input,and caz2golden for your advice and finding the relevant posts.I knew there had been threads on this subject way back when,so massive thanks for that. When our Cocker Spaniel was getting on,(can't remember exactly at what age) the lady who ran the boarding kennels we used at the time advised us not to bother getting his boosters done anymore,for reasons given by others that he must be well protected at his age.(He lived to be 16.5 years old). I will probably have a chat with the vet,but I think I too am doubting if it would be in Skips interest now he is 13.I have been trying to wrack my brains about what caused smilesbetters Rosas illness crash,I know it was very sudden and remember poor smiles left in panic waiting for her flight home when she first heard the news. p.s. yes the LEPTO 4 did mainly seem to affect Labs,but after hearing about Collie breeds having to have special care with anaesthetics and certain meds I am very wary. Even one of Skips worming treatments had a special warning (printed on the INSIDE of the pack) when using on Collie breeds.Needless to say I didnt dare use it and was quite cross to have been given it.I think you might be referring to Milbermax migsy ? Its a broad spectrum wormer. It contains Ivermectin which is a neurotoxin and should be used with great caution in collie breeds, for example, Border Collies, Old English Sheepdogs, Shelties, Bearded Collies, Australian Shepherds, but Rough Collies in particular have a higher incidence of reaction. It can cause severe neurological symptoms, sometimes fatal. I know of a border collie who lost his sight after being wormed with Mibermax so you were right to be cautious. Its due to a large amount of collies having the mutant MDR1 gene that makes them especially hyper-sensitive to Ivermectin. Advocate spot on (containing moxidectin) is another treatment that should be avoided with collie/collie cross breeds.  |
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Post by smilesbetter on Jan 22, 2016 15:49:58 GMT
gypsy thanks for the info on Milbermax, I wasn't aware of the effects on collies. As for vaccinating, I unfortunately have to get Rosa done every year at the moment for her dog passport to be valid according to my vet. We are hoping to move to Scotland or Ireland in a few years and if it's Scotland I will begin to start getting her titre tested instead and not take her abroad with me. I'd love to continue to have her travel with me, but I don't wanna have her vaccinated every year for life when it's not actually needed. She seemingly only needs the vaccinations to get into the uk though, they didn't check her at all on the way from the uk to mainland Europe, they didn't even ask to see if I had her passport at all. It made me realise how easily someone could steal a dog and leave the UK with it, presumably the road tunnel would be the same too.
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Post by migsy on Jan 22, 2016 23:35:19 GMT
If MILBEMAX is the same thing,(it was in a dark blue packet)yes it was gypsy,thank you so much for the information.Wonder why on earth the main information is printed on the inside of the packet,most people would just give the tablets after reading the instructions on the front,and not even notice information on the inside. I usually asked Skips vet for his worming tablets but forgot and popped into the reception on another day,I realised the tablets weren't the same as before so was a bit puzzled.I would have thought common sense would be to check his records for which type to give. Lovely to see you back smilesbetter,hope you have had a lovely time.Very disturbing for Rosa not to be checked or passport seen,as you say,would be too easy to leave the U.K. with a stolen dog.I know checks in will be to keep rabies out,but it seems crazy to have these rules and not follow them.We have seen dogs being scanned on the Hull/Rotterdam ferry.I would imagine the officials will be hard pressed for checking everything at the channel tunnel,perhaps dogs were low priority that time. Do you happen to have any knowledge of KLM for transporting dogs? I wondered if you knew anyone who had used them. |
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Post by smilesbetter on Jan 23, 2016 9:26:02 GMT
It wasn't with KLM this time migsy , it was with Stena Line ferries. I asked three times (the lady who checked my ticket, the passport control and the check in Guy) if they wanted to see her passport, or even her, and they all said "not this way" haha. Weird! I have learnt always to check the info on the inside of any medication now since the vet gave us worming tablets that didn't treat the worm I specifically told them my cat had, meaning we had to wait before being able to give the correct worming medication. I should have always checked first but I know now! |
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Post by barley on Jan 23, 2016 15:26:39 GMT
As for vaccinating, I unfortunately have to get Rosa done every year at the moment for her dog passport to be valid according to my vet. Rabies is the only vaccination she needs for her passport. Routine booster vaccs don't even need to be recorded in there - regardless of where in the world you're living or traveling.  |
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Post by smilesbetter on Jan 24, 2016 10:07:15 GMT
Really?! My vet said they all need done every year!! Would much rather she only got done every few years with titre testing between. Really?!  haha! |
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Post by barley on Jan 24, 2016 11:19:14 GMT
Really?! My vet said they all need done every year!! Would much rather she only got done every few years with titre testing between. Really?! haha! Yep, 100% sure. Providing her rabies vacc is kept up to date, the others are irrelevant as far as her passport is concerned. |
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Post by zahada on Jan 24, 2016 11:22:56 GMT
Really?! My vet said they all need done every year!! Would much rather she only got done every few years with titre testing between. Really?! haha! Yep, 100% sure. Providing her rabies vacc is kept up to date, the others are irrelevant as far as her passport is concerned. But one needs to check the relevant laws in countries they want to travel to. |
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And it won't stop there! L8 next? 
haha! 