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Post by orpheous87 on Nov 8, 2015 21:36:29 GMT
 John Burns might as well have just told the question asker to feed Burns! I wonder what study he's read that says dogs should be fed complex carbohydrates and not actual meat. Feeding raw doesn't necessarily mean relying on a high protein and fat content. So many dogs are fed on a high protein food that surely it speaks for itself? Plus, you don't need to feed fatty meats - Pepper and Ellie have been getting mostly lean meats over the last couple of months and they're still getting everything they need. |
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Post by CollieSlave on Nov 8, 2015 22:31:28 GMT
How reassuring, knowing that raising queries in YD will get you a neutral, unbiased response from one of their experts! "I don't agree with feeding domestic pets on a raw meat diet" BECAUSE "as more and more do, so fewer and fewer people will buy my pet food from which I make a handsome profit"! How about that as a more open, realistic reply! I wonder if YD pay John Burns a lot for his services? Perhaps he should pay YD for what amounts to him generating free advertising for his type of dog food!
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Post by orpheous87 on Nov 8, 2015 23:37:11 GMT
I wonder what would happen if someone wrote in and asked exactly why he believes that. I don't suppose the question would get answered.
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Post by Pawsforthought on Nov 9, 2015 13:24:20 GMT
Oh God, STILL John Burns? It makes no sense (besides financially...) to have a kibble manufacturer answer your diet questions :s c'mon YD! I'm afraid this is why I prefer Dogs Today now, though they still answered a question about raw in a biased way (from a Medivet,) to which I obviously had to reply  but Richard Allport is fantastic, and I love his columns because they're usually quite funny too  |
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Post by caz2golden on Nov 9, 2015 13:25:04 GMT
I wonder what would happen if someone wrote in and asked exactly why he believes that. I don't suppose the question would get answered. Why don’t we? All scientific journals have the ability to challenge authors on their article content, surely the magazine should allow Mr Burns to explain his response more fully when his reply is challenged? If they do not reply at all surely it shows bias! I am prepared to act as devils advocate, who else is prepared to? What about the below? Feel free to add and edit it Note some of you might like to read this as to where I am coming from on some of the text. rawfed.com/myths/carbs.htmlAnnoyingly I can find quotes to NRC 2006 report, but can not find the source myself otherwise I would have quoted that. The quotes say that there is no nutritional requirement for carbs in a dogs diet. |
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Post by smilesbetter on Nov 9, 2015 13:42:38 GMT
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Post by Pawsforthought on Nov 9, 2015 13:53:12 GMT
He should be challenged! If he's an expert, he can provide the science to back up what he is saying. Sounds good caz2golden  DEFRA has one F, (not trying to be annoying or picky, just so you can send it in with no misspelling.) |
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Post by smilesbetter on Nov 9, 2015 14:01:51 GMT
He should be challenged! If he's an expert, he can provide the science to back up what he is saying. Sounds good caz2golden DEFRA has one F, (not trying to be annoying or picky, just so you can send it in with no misspelling.) Haha well I'm annoying and picky. I was at a place yesterday that had put Potatoe and Leave instead of Potato and Leaf on their menu. It was their opening day and they still had time to change it before the first actual customers, so I let her know and she looked at me like I was dog poop she'd just stepped on. We went back later and they hadn't changed it haha, oh well haha. I just thought it didn't look very professional. My English isn't wonderful though haha, I am Scottish after all. |
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Post by Pawsforthought on Nov 9, 2015 14:06:28 GMT
He should be challenged! If he's an expert, he can provide the science to back up what he is saying. Sounds good caz2golden DEFRA has one F, (not trying to be annoying or picky, just so you can send it in with no misspelling.) Haha well I'm annoying and picky. I was at a place yesterday that had put Potatoe and Leave instead of Potato and Leaf on their menu. It was their opening day and they still had time to change it before the first actual customers, so I let her know and she looked at me like I was dog poop she'd just stepped on. We went back later and they hadn't changed it haha, oh well haha. I just thought it didn't look very professional. My English isn't wonderful though haha, I am Scottish after all. I don't ever want to be mean when I correct anyone, I would hate to embarrass someone or hurt their feelings, but I would MUCH rather someone corrected me (take note everyone ) if I had made a mistake, I hate getting it wrong, even if only I notice it! When I was in year 6 at school, I had to spell "meringue," in my spell book, and the teacher crossed it out and wrote "merange," and I crossed out her one and rewrote "meringue," lol. Then she told me she looked it up and I was right and she was sorry. I don't even know what the point of this story is...  |
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Post by scallywag on Nov 9, 2015 14:37:43 GMT
I wonder what would happen if someone wrote in and asked exactly why he believes that. I don't suppose the question would get answered. Why don’t we? All scientific journals have the ability to challenge authors on their article content, surely the magazine should allow Mr Burns to explain his response more fully when his reply is challenged? If they do not reply at all surely it shows bias! I am prepared to act as devils advocate, who else is prepared to? What about the below? Feel free to add and edit it Note some of you might like to read this as to where I am coming from on some of the text. rawfed.com/myths/carbs.htmlAnnoyingly I can find quotes to NRC 2006 report, but can not find the source myself otherwise I would have quoted that. The quotes say that there is no nutritional requirement for carbs in a dogs diet. Asked Scallywag to do this for me while I can not log on, Caz2golden. Thanks Pawsforthought I don't mind, thought it looked wrong but at that moment in time could not work out why Also noticed cook instead of cooked when I re-read it just now Dear Your Dog, The yourpetforum.co.uk (Your Dog Forum) members caz2golden, smilesbetter, ? and ? were looking at Marlene Eck question in the December issue on the magazine, which expert John Burns replied to. We would like to know why John Burns believes dogs should have a diet high in complex carbohydrates from cooked grains and why dogs do not need a diet rich in protein and fats? Assuming their diet has ample protein and fat, dogs (and cats) are able to make glucose from fat and amino acids via a process called gluconeogenesis. So why do they need a diet high in carbohydrates? What does cooked grains offer to the diet with regard to vitamins, minerals and trace elements, that a wide range of meat protein sources (including offal such as, but not limited to, liver and kidneys) don’t? Why is John Burns against raw feeding? There are a number of raw food products marketed as complete, why are these not advisable? They have to undergo the same quality checks as dry or tinned food, to meet DEFRA regulations (such as for bacteria such as E-coli and Salmonella and nutrition). caz2golden hope this is what you wanted me to do  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2015 18:39:23 GMT
Stick me Gillykat down too I may not have a dog yet (nor will have for a while) but I still think carbohydrates have no place as a main ingredient in dog food  What did folk feed their dogs on in the 1930's - 50's?  |
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Post by Roo on Nov 9, 2015 18:51:19 GMT
Stick me Gillykat down too I may not have a dog yet (nor will have for a while) but I still think carbohydrates have no place as a main ingredient in dog food What did folk feed their dogs on in the 1930's - 50's? I think probably any scraps available! Strange how diets back then would be considered shocking and unacceptable by today's standards ... But dogs seemed to live an awful lot longer and healthier lives. This is what I'm lead to believe after speaking with relatives and friends relatives etc who have spoken about the dogs they used to have. Bizarre ... |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Nov 9, 2015 19:09:00 GMT
Now THAT is biased.  And obviously biased as well!  Whoops John! I don't feed raw myself, and I don't feed Burns (anymore), either! But I'm in no way against raw feeding! A dog's diet is personal and depends on the dog, owner and circumstances. Basically, he's saying 'give your dog's my brand', being 'clever' (?) about how he worded it - although it is quite obvious what message he is giving YD readers! Diet isn't a 'one food suits all' approach.  |
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Post by caz2golden on Nov 9, 2015 19:16:08 GMT
Thanks scallywag for helping me out earlier Will do @gillykat |
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Post by barley on Nov 9, 2015 19:40:01 GMT
As soon as I saw that in the magazine I knew it'd be brought up here! |
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but Richard Allport is fantastic, and I love his columns because they're usually quite funny too 
DEFRA has one F, (not trying to be annoying or picky, just so you can send it in with no misspelling.) 
And obviously biased as well! 
Whoops John! 
