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Post by orpheous87 on Nov 12, 2015 22:45:30 GMT
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Post by milliepup04 on Nov 12, 2015 22:58:28 GMT
Phew! I'm not imagining it then!!
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Post by orpheous87 on Nov 12, 2015 23:04:13 GMT
No, no. Out of 6 replies in this issue, he mentions chicken in two of them. Three of the questions weren't about something that you'd give treats for really, so out of 3 answers, chicken is a solution in two lol.
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Post by milliepup04 on Nov 13, 2015 16:40:51 GMT
Hahaha!!
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Post by Roo on Nov 13, 2015 19:12:04 GMT
No, no. Out of 6 replies in this issue, he mentions chicken in two of them. Three of the questions weren't about something that you'd give treats for really, so out of 3 answers, chicken is a solution in two lol. Don't you know that chicken is the answer to all the world's problems?!
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Post by orpheous87 on Nov 13, 2015 22:09:08 GMT
I must have missed that memo Roo!
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Post by gypsy on Nov 13, 2015 23:27:48 GMT
Mr Burns advice no matter what the dog, the problem or the question is this - Ideal diet = low protein, low fat, high carbs (ideally rice and maize.) He always emphasises the importance of hypoallergenic diets because all of his diets are of course, which naturally makes them 'highly digestible' - which is a complete misnomer because they're only 'hypoallergenic' if your dog happens not to be intolerant/ allergic to any of the ingredients! And regarding chicken which was mentioned earlier....chicken is one of the most common allergens dogs suffer from! Protein is bad (apparently even for an obligate carnivore because his cat food contains no more than 40% meat) - it causes excess waste in the body which is basically linked to every acute, chronic and inflammatory condition possible. Dogs should be fed as little as possible - even if they are skinny/weak/emaciated - to ensure firm stools. Here is his statement for why he is against raw food diets on his Veterinary Health and Nutrition Handbook on his website - RAW FOOD DIETS
The BARF (“Bones and Raw Food” or “Biologically Appropriate Raw Food”) diet is a system
of holistic nutrition which is championed by Dr Ian Billinghurst who is an Australian vet.
Dr. Billinghurst has published several books on health and nutrition. The best known of
these is called “Give Your Dog a Bone”. The BARF Evolutionary philosophy is at first glance
an attractive one; it seems to be truly natural because it tries to emulate the lifestyle of
the dog in the wild.
But, after due consideration I am of the opinion that the BARF theory, like the emperor’s
new clothes, does not stand up to critical inspection.
The BARF or “Evolutionary” Diet is based on the principle that domestic dogs should be
fed on a diet which replicates as closely as possible the diet of the wild dog. According
to Dr Billinghurst domestic dogs have been fed on processed (cooked) foods for only
approximately 70 years and this is not a long enough time to adapt to cooked foods.
To replicate the diet of the wild dog he recommends that all carbohydrate should be
avoided and pet dogs and cats should be fed on a diet based on raw meaty bones and
raw vegetables . Dr Billinghurst insists that because of this evolutionary history the BARF
DIET is the ONLY correct way to feed the modern domestic pet dog.
The problem with the evolutionary argument is that domestic dogs bear little relationship
to the original wild dog. Very early in their association it is likely that man selected and bred
those animals which suited his purpose e.g. guarding, hunting, more docile, less independent
– even better suited to the food provided by man.
There are practical reasons why the diet of the wild dog is not automatically suitable for the
domestic dog. The modern dog and its lifestyle bear no similarity whatever to the wild dog.
We provide shelter in heated houses, they do not have to forage or compete for food, they
eat every day, and they have little exercise compared to a wild dog.
Many dogs have dietary sensitivity which means that they need a highly digestible diet, low
in protein and low in fat. I can’t see how that could be achieved with a BARF diet.
Modern farm livestock is reared in such a way that the fat content, even in “lean” meat is
very high. So a diet high in meat will inevitably be high in fat too.
The Carbohydrate Question...
According to Dr Billinghurst dogs cannot digest carbohydrate. In reality, the dog has
very sophisticated, sensitive and efficient mechanisms for breaking down carbohydrate
and ensuring its absorption. This could not have evolved if carbohydrate was detrimental. But, according to BARF, carbohydrate causes so many health problems e.g. inflammatory
disease such as pancreatitis. While it is true that low-quality or refined carbohydrate
may be undesirable, my experience is that I have had excellent results in treating and
preventing inflammatory disease using both home cooked and commercial diets which
are based on whole grains i.e. high in carbohydrate.
On a simple level what vet has not recommended chicken and rice to treat gastrointestinal
disease?
There are other major flaws with the BARF philosophy. One which flies in the face of
the facts is the assertion that raw food is more digestible and that cooking destroys
that digestibility. Simple common sense and experience tell us that cooking actually
increases digestibility. Increasing the digestibility of the food is an important way of
treating bowel disease and problems of malabsorption. Cooking does this.
I suspect that any success claimed for the Raw Food system is due to a much more
mundane explanation than its grandiose but erroneous philosophy. This is that any
benefits are due to the avoidance of ingredients which cause dietary intolerance.
My main criticism of the BARF philosophy is its self-righteousness. BARFism puts forward
a flawed theory with a certainty which bears comparison to religious fundamentalism;
it brooks no dissent. It advocates a system which is impractical and does not fit well
into the lifestyle of present society, denying the possibility of alternatives, thereby
condemning those pet owners, the majority, to feelings of inadequacy for failure to
follow its teachings.
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Post by caz2golden on Nov 14, 2015 6:59:21 GMT
Thanks Gypsy for sharing that. Sort of explains his point of view!
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Post by Roo on Nov 14, 2015 7:45:37 GMT
The BARF/Raw diet is self-righteous?! Has he heard himself?!
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Post by caz2golden on Nov 18, 2015 19:21:04 GMT
Had email conformation today from Your Dog.
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Post by orpheous87 on Jan 29, 2016 19:31:05 GMT
I don't know if anyone else gets the YD email newsletter? If not, this question and answer popped up in the one I received today. www.yourdog.co.uk/Dog-Health-and-Care/which-diet-should-i-choose-for-my-dog.htmlMr Burns' answer seems a little different to the one that appeared in the magazine in that he's not actively putting raw diets down but rather acknowledging that the veterinary profession tends not to like them!
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Post by caz2golden on Sept 18, 2017 21:10:15 GMT
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Post by boxerluver30 on Sept 18, 2017 21:25:29 GMT
Would be interested if he actually responds caz2golden, let us know if you get anything back!
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Post by caz2golden on Sept 18, 2017 21:35:28 GMT
I got nothing back other than the initial Your Dog reply saying it was being handed on to him. Considering that was back in 2015 I think we can safely assume that we will not get any reply.
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Post by boxerluver30 on Sept 18, 2017 21:45:50 GMT
I got nothing back other than the initial Your Dog reply saying it was being handed on to him. Considering that was back in 2015 I think we can safely assume that we will not get any reply. Ah right I didn't notice the date, not with it tonight!
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