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Post by puppypal on Jul 21, 2013 20:25:56 GMT
You seem to understand the need to spend a lot of time and effort working with Barley, and that's great. But you are SO keen to have a new baby dog to play with, you're letting that get in the way of what is best for Barley, and that is somewhat selfish. EVERYONE is telling you they recommend you wait until you've had the chance to work with your current dog more, and the people on here are experienced, respected members and dog owners. Some people on here have owned dogs for a large number of years, and therefore have a lot more knowledge about multi-dog households and situations than yourself, but you are ignoring their well-meant advice and continue to have this very naive attitude. Until you can get over this, you will continue to make beginner's mistakes with regards to dog owning, and never be able to move on from them! If Barley really does mean as much to you as you say, you will wait until he is more confident around other dogs before committing to something that has the potential to make him worse than he already is. T he new dog ONLY benefits yourself, and when you have this puppy to deal with, as well as school and other activities, you will NOT have the time for Barley! Or if you spend the time with Barley that he needs, you won't be giving the puppy enough time and attention! Puppies are difficult enough as it is on their own or with a well behaved dog in the household, you really are setting yourself up for trouble and disappointment. |
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Post by puppypal on Jul 21, 2013 20:29:15 GMT
puppypal you know Barley better than anyone on here, and reading the above you are trying to work thru all Barley's issues, it is nice to see that, there are many an owner out there whom would have just given up by now and either had the poor animal PTS or rehomed. I don't get too involved when things get heavy on here, but I would like to say, isn't this a place for us to all off load our worries and concerns, a place to make new aquaintances ( spelt that wrong I know ) I won't say friends as that word is used far too lightly. Be here for each other ? If we feel so strongly about a pos,t then surely it is best to not post exactly how we feel and be a bit more gentle with our response ? Poor PP knows what she is up against, and at the end of the day, if her family chose to get another dog there is nothing anyone on here can say, and if it doesn't work out, I would like to think they will be responsible enough to find the right home for the pup, nothing anyone on here says will change their mind if they are all ready resided to getting one. No offence meant to anyone on here, this is just how I feel about what is happening regards the continued posts on here, she's part of the community she should be treated so, no made to feel alienated, and that is how she feels at the moment, trust me xxxxxxxxxx considering in the previous post i state all of barley's faults, and have mentioned that they do need a lot of work put into them, work that i am committed to doing and am currently doing, and i never said that there was no issue, we just founds ways of not letting that incident happen again, he is not fine he has lots of work to do on him, but we are getting there |
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Post by puppypal on Jul 21, 2013 20:30:54 GMT
PP, I believe, wanted a puppy so she could do SAR with it. Dad wanted the puppy to do SAR, we are going to dual handle it |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 22, 2013 7:39:42 GMT
puppypal seems like she has a plan of how to handle Barley and raise a puppy and how this is going to go 
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Post by AnnaAmber on Jul 22, 2013 16:41:47 GMT
It is up to puppypal & her family whether they choose to get a puppy. They know Barley best. It seems to me as though advice was asked for regarding Barley's food aggression, not on opinions as to whether or not they should add another dog to their family. Yes, it would potentially be more challenging to add a puppy with a dog with food aggression but it can be managed with little hassle in my opinion. |
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Post by CollieSlave on Jul 22, 2013 21:46:13 GMT
It is up to puppypal & her family whether they choose to get a puppy. They know Barley best. It seems to me as though advice was asked for regarding Barley's food aggression, not on opinions as to whether or not they should add another dog to their family. Yes, it would potentially be more challenging to add a puppy with a dog with food aggression but it can be managed with little hassle in my opinion. do you think that the question originally raised has been broadened into advice not to have a puppy until Barley's issues have been resolved? Your first sentence is a statement of the obvious, as is your second. However, based purely on what Puppypal has stated in various posts on the forum many forum members feel concerned that advice should be offered to avoid what many people perceive as a potentially very difficult situation. The broadening of the topic is not motivated by vindictiveness but by real concerns felt by forum members for the well-being of the dogs concerned and the well being of Puppypal and her family. |
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Post by CollieSlave on Jul 23, 2013 9:15:59 GMT
It is up to puppypal & her family whether they choose to get a puppy. They know Barley best. It seems to me as though advice was asked for regarding Barley's food aggression, not on opinions as to whether or not they should add another dog to their family. Yes, it would potentially be more challenging to add a puppy with a dog with food aggression but it can be managed with little hassle in my opinion. To add a little! I agree absolutely with what you say about managing the issue. Indeed, I posted the first response on this thread ("Don't feed him when or where there are other dogs around"). This, to me, seemed the obvious solution. But Puppypal then said that this would be, and I quote, "Very hard". I found this very surprising, and cannot imagine WHY it should be very hard. In the past we have contrived to ensure that dogs we owned ate separately, as, no doubt, have countless others on this forum and elsewhere, with no difficulty whatsoever. It seems to me that well intentioned advice and suggestions that seem obvious (both to me and others) are far from obvious to Puppypal. A pity. |
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Post by AnnaAmber on Jul 23, 2013 15:28:59 GMT
It is up to puppypal & her family whether they choose to get a puppy. They know Barley best. It seems to me as though advice was asked for regarding Barley's food aggression, not on opinions as to whether or not they should add another dog to their family. Yes, it would potentially be more challenging to add a puppy with a dog with food aggression but it can be managed with little hassle in my opinion. do you think that the question originally raised has been broadened into advice not to have a puppy until Barley's issues have been resolved? Your first sentence is a statement of the obvious, as is your second. However, based purely on what Puppypal has stated in various posts on the forum many forum members feel concerned that advice should be offered to avoid what many people perceive as a potentially very difficult situation. The broadening of the topic is not motivated by vindictiveness but by real concerns felt by forum members for the well-being of the dogs concerned and the well being of Puppypal and her family. That's fair enough. I can't say much else really. As puppypal & her family seem to have decided that they are getting a puppy and are happy with that, then shouldn't people stop going on about why they shouldn't? It is up to puppypal & her family whether they choose to get a puppy. They know Barley best. It seems to me as though advice was asked for regarding Barley's food aggression, not on opinions as to whether or not they should add another dog to their family. Yes, it would potentially be more challenging to add a puppy with a dog with food aggression but it can be managed with little hassle in my opinion. To add a little! I agree absolutely with what you say about managing the issue. Indeed, I posted the first response on this thread ("Don't feed him when or where there are other dogs around"). This, to me, seemed the obvious solution. But Puppypal then said that this would be, and I quote, "Very hard". I found this very surprising, and cannot imagine WHY it should be very hard. In the past we have contrived to ensure that dogs we owned ate separately, as, no doubt, have countless others on this forum and elsewhere, with no difficulty whatsoever. It seems to me that well intentioned advice and suggestions that seem obvious (both to me and others) are far from obvious to Puppypal. A pity. Well I agree with both you CollieSlave & puppypal. I can see that the best thing to do about the food guarding is to manage the issue by feeding them separately, which as you say is what most do anyway, whether or not their dogs have problems with food guarding. I suppose the more challenging side of it is that when you are out & about and say for example trying to recall the dogs, and you want to treat them both for coming back then that may present an issue. So it's a little more hassle but nothing that can't be done. |
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Post by caz2golden on Jul 23, 2013 20:03:00 GMT
I suppose the more challenging side of it is that when you are out & about and say for example trying to recall the dogs, and you want to treat them both for coming back then that may present an issue. So it's a little more hassle but nothing that can't be done. Then your have to make your recall reward not food or something that the one with the resource guarding will want. You perhaps have to teach them to accept a vocal and physical touch reward instead. Or when practicing recall or anything else you work one dog at a time even to the point of exercising separately. |
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Post by AnnaAmber on Jul 24, 2013 13:20:59 GMT
I suppose the more challenging side of it is that when you are out & about and say for example trying to recall the dogs, and you want to treat them both for coming back then that may present an issue. So it's a little more hassle but nothing that can't be done. Then your have to make your recall reward not food or something that the one with the resource guarding will want. You perhaps have to teach them to accept a vocal and physical touch reward instead. Or when practicing recall or anything else you work one dog at a time even to the point of exercising separately. Yep, indeed caz2golden. As I say it can be worked around but it is just needs a little more thought I suppose. I minded a dog with food guarding issues & it was managed fine just had to be extra careful. |
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Post by miloooox on Aug 7, 2013 22:25:32 GMT
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Post by puppypal on Aug 8, 2013 9:00:01 GMT
thanks for the link miloooox, we do have a baby gate, but only to stop barley from going upstairs. We have got 2 cages now, one x-large for barley and a small one for pup, so they will be fed in there cages in different rooms, so we can try and keep things civil between them, also his toy box is being removed from pups reach, so he can not growl over any toys, until he learns to play nice and that puppy wont steal his toys as she will have her own. we are planning to introduce them on neutral ground at my grand parents rather than at home, to try and make things as stress free as possible for barley |
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Post by caz2golden on Aug 8, 2013 21:01:34 GMT
Some breeders like to meet resident dogs before selling pup to you, I assume this is not the case with the breeder you are getting pup from!
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