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Post by puppypal on Jul 21, 2013 10:23:12 GMT
he is not in the puppy class any more, he moved up, he had 2 lesson before he moved up cause he was to advanced for all the basic puppy stuff, and the dog aggressive dog is in the next class, he was fine in the first class. if you read through the thread you will find out about this Are there other aggressive dogs in Barley's class? Yes, there are 2 other dog aggressive dogs in his class, one has not been for the past few weeks but only because we are practising our good cits stuff and he has already done his bronze |
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Post by Avansa on Jul 21, 2013 12:27:12 GMT
Can I just throw in here - are you aware how easily damaged puppies' joints and bones can be? Barley is a BIG dog who looks extremely heavy. If you're planning to get a Toller puppy, they're quite small dogs. If these "Squabbles" or whatever you're going on about occur, this could be seriously dangerous for the puppy! It strikes me that Barley doesn't know how to properly communicate with other dogs, so probably wouldn't be very controlled in the way he plays?
I think you should look for a new training class. This does not sound like a good environment with three dog aggressive (Barley IS dog aggressive, by the sounds of it. You wouldn't feel the need to take the muzzle at all if he wasn't) all getting worked up together. I don't know what kind of people are holding this class, but I would be running in the opposite direction!
What I can't believe is that your parents think that it's okay to be introducing a new dog into this situation. You are young, and you want a new dog so badly that I think it's clouding your judgement, but what's their excuse? :\
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Post by smokeybear on Jul 21, 2013 13:03:31 GMT
Personally I find the posts about Barley (by both owner and others) very contradictory and I am at a loss to understand the underlying issues regarding this dog, the picture is far from clear.
I think there are a few other things going on within the home environment which would explain the somewhat confused picture to date..............
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Post by puppypal on Jul 21, 2013 13:39:36 GMT
We know that barley has some issues that need to be resolved, we know he can be funny around other dogs, we know he can be funny around other people, we know that some situations he finds stressful, we know that he can be funny over food, we know that he can get spooked, we know that some situations make him nervous, we know that he does not have a recall, but we are aware of all these issues, quite a lot of them we are working on, it takes time to resolve issues like these and we know that, for the past 2 years i have been working on him and how he is around other dogs and he is getting a lot better but some things can happen that will set him back, but i cant control everything that happens when we are on a walk, there can be some very irresponsible dog owners who will set barley back so yes we have to go back a step of two but we are working on it, then other times i will meet some very nice dog owners who will let me work barley with there dog, and he will improve a lot, but compared to what he was like 2 odd years ago he is a lot better, but then in some ways he is worse as other issues have cropped up but we are working on them. we are working on his nervousness of some people and he is getting better, but then he can have set backs, but we still continue to work on it. if we find that he is getting stressed in a certain situation we try to remove him from it or make it less stressful for him. we are slowly working on his food problems but it takes time, nothing will happen overnight and he will be fixed, it is all about time and patience with him, he is stubborn which makes training and working with him a lot harder but i have got used to it and i know what makes him want to work and what makes his brain tick and whether he is in the right mood to work or not. As with the spooking, we cant really help that much as he will spook over a number of things some new some old, if he does spook we will try to work him with that object,person or situation so he gets used to it and so that next time he encounters that object,person or situation he does not spook or has less of a reaction to it. we know he can be nervous some times but we take every precaution to make people aware that he can be nervous, like his 'please give me space' bandanna and his new ' i need space' and 'please give me space' lead and collar covers, this makes people aware that he may need some space when they approach him or when they let there dog near him, this is taking every precaution we can to make his walks enjoyable for him and me and for other people and dog owners, we know what dogs to avoid at the park because they are aggressive or don't like other dogs or barley does not like them or the owners are not very friendly or have little to no control over there dogs
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Post by scallywag on Jul 21, 2013 14:20:21 GMT
puppypal you know Barley better than anyone on here, and reading the above you are trying to work thru all Barley's issues, it is nice to see that, there are many an owner out there whom would have just given up by now and either had the poor animal PTS or rehomed. I don't get too involved when things get heavy on here, but I would like to say, isn't this a place for us to all off load our worries and concerns, a place to make new aquaintances ( spelt that wrong I know ) I won't say friends as that word is used far too lightly. Be here for each other ? If we feel so strongly about a pos,t then surely it is best to not post exactly how we feel and be a bit more gentle with our response ? Poor PP knows what she is up against, and at the end of the day, if her family chose to get another dog there is nothing anyone on here can say, and if it doesn't work out, I would like to think they will be responsible enough to find the right home for the pup, nothing anyone on here says will change their mind if they are all ready resided to getting one. No offence meant to anyone on here, this is just how I feel about what is happening regards the continued posts on here, she's part of the community she should be treated so, no made to feel alienated, and that is how she feels at the moment, trust me xxxxxxxxxx
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jul 21, 2013 14:30:56 GMT
You seem to understand the need to spend a lot of time and effort working with Barley, and that's great. But you are SO keen to have a new baby dog to play with, you're letting that get in the way of what is best for Barley, and that is somewhat selfish.
EVERYONE is telling you they recommend you wait until you've had the chance to work with your current dog more, and the people on here are experienced, respected members and dog owners. Some people on here have owned dogs for a large number of years, and therefore have a lot more knowledge about multi-dog households and situations than yourself, but you are ignoring their well-meant advice and continue to have this very naive attitude. Until you can get over this, you will continue to make beginner's mistakes with regards to dog owning, and never be able to move on from them!
If Barley really does mean as much to you as you say, you will wait until he is more confident around other dogs before committing to something that has the potential to make him worse than he already is. The new dog ONLY benefits yourself, and when you have this puppy to deal with, as well as school and other activities, you will NOT have the time for Barley! Or if you spend the time with Barley that he needs, you won't be giving the puppy enough time and attention! Puppies are difficult enough as it is on their own or with a well behaved dog in the household, you really are setting yourself up for trouble and disappointment.
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jul 21, 2013 14:37:23 GMT
puppypal you know Barley better than anyone on here, and reading the above you are trying to work thru all Barley's issues, it is nice to see that, there are many an owner out there whom would have just given up by now and either had the poor animal PTS or rehomed. I don't get too involved when things get heavy on here, but I would like to say, isn't this a place for us to all off load our worries and concerns, a place to make new aquaintances ( spelt that wrong I know ) I won't say friends as that word is used far too lightly. Be here for each other ? If we feel so strongly about a pos,t then surely it is best to not post exactly how we feel and be a bit more gentle with our response ? Poor PP knows what she is up against, and at the end of the day, if her family chose to get another dog there is nothing anyone on here can say, and if it doesn't work out, I would like to think they will be responsible enough to find the right home for the pup, nothing anyone on here says will change their mind if they are all ready resided to getting one. No offence meant to anyone on here, this is just how I feel about what is happening regards the continued posts on here, she's part of the community she should be treated so, no made to feel alienated, and that is how she feels at the moment, trust me xxxxxxxxxx PP alienates herself by asking for advice, to which we all respond at first with helpful, constructive advice, and ignoring all advice given, providing an excuse for every bit of Barley's behaviour. It was particularly on the old forum, she said he was food aggressive and we told her it was serious and she should really take a lot of time with him and instead she turned the whole thing around and said that there was no issue and he was fine? She REALLY hates hearing that there is anything serious needing working on. I just think everyone is a bit frustrated that all their advice continuously gets ignored. I know she's a young member but with more serious matters like a puppy's health I am a believer in treating all people the same and being honest about your opinion. |
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Post by CollieSlave on Jul 21, 2013 14:38:55 GMT
Personally I find the posts about Barley (by both owner and others) very contradictory and I am at a loss to understand the underlying issues regarding this dog, the picture is far from clear. I think there are a few other things going on within the home environment which would explain the somewhat confused picture to date.............. Nicely put! |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 21, 2013 14:40:47 GMT
puppypal you know Barley better than anyone on here, and reading the above you are trying to work thru all Barley's issues, it is nice to see that, there are many an owner out there whom would have just given up by now and either had the poor animal PTS or rehomed. I don't get too involved when things get heavy on here, but I would like to say, isn't this a place for us to all off load our worries and concerns, a place to make new aquaintances ( spelt that wrong I know ) I won't say friends as that word is used far too lightly. Be here for each other ? If we feel so strongly about a pos,t then surely it is best to not post exactly how we feel and be a bit more gentle with our response ? Poor PP knows what she is up against, and at the end of the day, if her family chose to get another dog there is nothing anyone on here can say, and if it doesn't work out, I would like to think they will be responsible enough to find the right home for the pup, nothing anyone on here says will change their mind if they are all ready resided to getting one. No offence meant to anyone on here, this is just how I feel about what is happening regards the continued posts on here, she's part of the community she should be treated so, no made to feel alienated, and that is how she feels at the moment, trust me xxxxxxxxxx PP alienates herself by asking for advice, to which we all respond at first with helpful, constructive advice, and ignoring all advice given, providing an excuse for every bit of Barley's behaviour. It was particularly on the old forum, she said he was food aggressive and we told her it was serious and she should really take a lot of time with him and instead she turned the whole thing around and said that there was no issue and he was fine? She REALLY hates hearing that there is anything serious needing working on. I just think everyone is a bit frustrated that all their advice continuously gets ignored. I know she's a young member but with more serious matters like a puppy's health I am a believer in treating all people the same and being honest about your opinion. Surely PP understands there is something serious going on before people start telling her? If she chooses to ignore comments about it being serious, it will stay serious. I personally like being treated like any other member, not just a younger one. I feel I have the maturity to join in with adult discussions and talk to them as if I were an adult. This post could hardly be improved upon! |
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Post by CollieSlave on Jul 21, 2013 14:43:54 GMT
puppypal you know Barley better than anyone on here, and reading the above you are trying to work thru all Barley's issues, it is nice to see that, there are many an owner out there whom would have just given up by now and either had the poor animal PTS or rehomed. I don't get too involved when things get heavy on here, but I would like to say, isn't this a place for us to all off load our worries and concerns, a place to make new aquaintances ( spelt that wrong I know ) I won't say friends as that word is used far too lightly. Be here for each other ? If we feel so strongly about a pos,t then surely it is best to not post exactly how we feel and be a bit more gentle with our response ? Poor PP knows what she is up against, and at the end of the day, if her family chose to get another dog there is nothing anyone on here can say, and if it doesn't work out, I would like to think they will be responsible enough to find the right home for the pup, nothing anyone on here says will change their mind if they are all ready resided to getting one. No offence meant to anyone on here, this is just how I feel about what is happening regards the continued posts on here, she's part of the community she should be treated so, no made to feel alienated, and that is how she feels at the moment, trust me xxxxxxxxxx I was under the impression that Puppypal herself was very enthusiastic about getting a puppy, based on past posts. Am I mistaken?You make it sound as though a puppy is being foisted on her by her family! |
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jul 21, 2013 14:45:55 GMT
PP, I believe, wanted a puppy so she could do SAR with it.
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Post by CollieSlave on Jul 21, 2013 15:02:12 GMT
We know that barley has some issues that need to be resolved, we know he can be funny around other dogs, we know he can be funny around other people, we know that some situations he finds stressful, we know that he can be funny over food, we know that he can get spooked, we know that some situations make him nervous, we know that he does not have a recall, but we are aware of all these issues, quite a lot of them we are working on, it takes time to resolve issues like these and we know that, for the past 2 years i have been working on him and how he is around other dogs and he is getting a lot better but some things can happen that will set him back, but i cant control everything that happens when we are on a walk, there can be some very irresponsible dog owners who will set barley back so yes we have to go back a step of two but we are working on it, then other times i will meet some very nice dog owners who will let me work barley with there dog, and he will improve a lot, but compared to what he was like 2 odd years ago he is a lot better, but then in some ways he is worse as other issues have cropped up but we are working on them. we are working on his nervousness of some people and he is getting better, but then he can have set backs, but we still continue to work on it. if we find that he is getting stressed in a certain situation we try to remove him from it or make it less stressful for him. we are slowly working on his food problems but it takes time, nothing will happen overnight and he will be fixed, it is all about time and patience with him, he is stubborn which makes training and working with him a lot harder but i have got used to it and i know what makes him want to work and what makes his brain tick and whether he is in the right mood to work or not. As with the spooking, we cant really help that much as he will spook over a number of things some new some old, if he does spook we will try to work him with that object,person or situation so he gets used to it and so that next time he encounters that object,person or situation he does not spook or has less of a reaction to it. we know he can be nervous some times but we take every precaution to make people aware that he can be nervous, like his 'please give me space' bandanna and his new ' i need space' and 'please give me space' lead and collar covers, this makes people aware that he may need some space when they approach him or when they let there dog near him, this is taking every precaution we can to make his walks enjoyable for him and me and for other people and dog owners, we know what dogs to avoid at the park because they are aggressive or don't like other dogs or barley does not like them or the owners are not very friendly or have little to no control over there dogs We have owned dogs for 50 years. This amounts to a lot of experience. Our last two dogs have been rescued dogs with problems, and behaviours, not dissimilar to those you list relating to Barley in this post. Given what you say WE would not DREAM of taking on a pup in these circumstances because of existing issues that need dealing with. If you CANNOT resolve these issues then you should NOT have a puppy, in my opinion. And you most certainly would be foolish to attempt to resolve Barley's problems AND raise a pup at the same time - this would be begging for trouble! |
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Post by scallywag on Jul 21, 2013 15:10:45 GMT
I would just like to add, CollieSlave that you are now putting words into my post that are NOT there, I have not indicated that this PUP is being as you put it foisted on to PP And BorderTerrier SHE is the cats mother, ( as I was always bought up with ) PP is supposedly a mate, treat her so and use her name !!! Getting off my pedal stool now |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 21, 2013 15:18:53 GMT
scallywag I am sorry if I upset or annoyed you, it was not intended. I believe in MOST of the comments regarding PP's actual situation with her dog here, in the nicest possible way puppypal 
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Post by smokeybear on Jul 21, 2013 19:43:12 GMT
I think if the current issues are taking to long to resolve with the current dog, then the chances of training a new one in SAR are somewhat remote...................................
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