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Post by smokeybear on Jul 20, 2013 17:00:43 GMT
Thanks for the link smokeybear, he has a bit of resource guarding over bones, but he is getting a lot better with them. Yes he guards his food and toys from other dogs, but for 4 years of his life he has been the only dog in the house, yes there will be a bit of grumbles and squabbles if we get a second dog, but they do need to work out who is top dog (barley), and the puppy will need to learn its limits, of what it can go near and what it cant, and how it plays with other dogs I am afraid it is the DOGS who sort out who is top dog, not YOU. Just because Barley is the oldest does not mean he will end up top dog. If your current dog does not know its limits, how do you expect the new one to learn? |
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Post by puppypal on Jul 20, 2013 17:16:44 GMT
I completely understand where you are coming from SB but from other threads PP has started, it would appear Barley is not very well socialised in general and not good with other dogs in other situations too - otherwise why would PP feel the need to use a muzzle when other dogs are in the vicinity?
Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable giving advice to an inexperienced dog owner (no offence PP) regarding aggressive behaviour (or resource guarding) - hence why I suggested a behaviourist. I would rather no one was hurt - human or dog  When have i mentioned that barley has to be muzzled, as he is not. the only time he does have to be muzzled is claw cutting, but that is it. He is well socialised, he just has some dogs which he does not like through bad experiences with them, he is friendly with people as long as they approach him and he knows they are there, and it depends on how they say hello to him, if they tower over him and go to stroke his head he will shy away, but if they bend down and stroke his chest he is fine. he has never been muzzled around other dogs, so i dont know where you got that from gypsy |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 20, 2013 17:17:14 GMT
puppypal, I would also wait until Barley is sorted before investing in a new puppy.
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 20, 2013 17:18:58 GMT
I completely understand where you are coming from SB but from other threads PP has started, it would appear Barley is not very well socialised in general and not good with other dogs in other situations too - otherwise why would PP feel the need to use a muzzle when other dogs are in the vicinity?
Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable giving advice to an inexperienced dog owner (no offence PP) regarding aggressive behaviour (or resource guarding) - hence why I suggested a behaviourist. I would rather no one was hurt - human or dog When have i mentioned that barley has to be muzzled, as he is not. the only time he does have to be muzzled is claw cutting, but that is it. He is well socialised, he just has some dogs which he does not like through bad experiences with them, he is friendly with people as long as they approach him and he knows they are there, and it depends on how they say hello to him, if they tower over him and go to stroke his head he will shy away, but if they bend down and stroke his chest he is fine. he has never been muzzled around other dogs, so i dont know where you got that from gypsyPP, you might have mentioned in past threads/posts something about 'feeling the need to muzzle Barley' and now forgotten about that. You could have simply been ranting (like we all do at some point!) and mentioned muzzles mistakenly  |
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Post by puppypal on Jul 20, 2013 17:24:00 GMT
How bad can this dog be if it was able to be shown in the ring at Crufts? He is very good with most dogs, there are some that he does not like, but we either try to avoid them or get him used to them and the situation. He has reasons why he can sometimes be a bit grumbley with other dogs but he has never bitten a dog or bared teeth at any, he just grumbles and growles, that is as far as it goes, his hackles never go up, and he gives plenty of warning to say he does not like a certain dog. We did have a few issues at crufts as alfie the black lab x great dane jumped in his face the first time he met him and kept doing every time barley went near him, and he did start growling at him because he was to in his face and was trying to mount him, which is understandable as the owner done nothing to stop the dog |
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Post by puppypal on Jul 20, 2013 17:25:51 GMT
When have i mentioned that barley has to be muzzled, as he is not. the only time he does have to be muzzled is claw cutting, but that is it. He is well socialised, he just has some dogs which he does not like through bad experiences with them, he is friendly with people as long as they approach him and he knows they are there, and it depends on how they say hello to him, if they tower over him and go to stroke his head he will shy away, but if they bend down and stroke his chest he is fine. he has never been muzzled around other dogs, so i dont know where you got that from gypsyPP, you might have mentioned in past threads/posts something about 'feeling the need to muzzle Barley' and now forgotten about that. You could have simply been ranting (like we all do at some point!) and mentioned muzzles mistakenly i have never mentioned anything about feeling the need to muzzle him around other dogs, the onl,y time i have mentioned a muzzle is at one point when he had a sore paw that required cream on it and it made his wound sting, and having his claws cut |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 20, 2013 18:08:45 GMT
PP, you might have mentioned in past threads/posts something about 'feeling the need to muzzle Barley' and now forgotten about that. You could have simply been ranting (like we all do at some point!) and mentioned muzzles mistakenly i have never mentioned anything about feeling the need to muzzle him around other dogs, the onl,y time i have mentioned a muzzle is at one point when he had a sore paw that required cream on it and it made his wound sting, and having his claws cut I was not saying you defiantly had said that, it was just a thought as to why gypsy said what she did. There is a point behind what she is saying when it comes to muzzles... she is, after all, one of the most knowledgable members of the forum You know what's best and what you have said etc because you are YOU; we are just trying to give you advice to help you along |
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Post by SarahHound on Jul 20, 2013 18:11:39 GMT
Well I didn't know he was at Crufts, I was just going on what previous posters have said.
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Post by CollieSlave on Jul 20, 2013 18:19:15 GMT
Thanks for the link smokeybear, he has a bit of resource guarding over bones, but he is getting a lot better with them. Yes he guards his food and toys from other dogs, but for 4 years of his life he has been the only dog in the house, yes there will be a bit of grumbles and squabbles if we get a second dog, but they do need to work out who is top dog (barley), and the puppy will need to learn its limits, of what it can go near and what it cant, and how it plays with other dogs This sounds potentially scary to me. Barley is a substantial, powerful, fully grown dog. You are talking of getting a puppy! It is quite evident from your various posts on the forum that Barley has a number of behavioural issues, including those with other dogs. I do not see how you can prophecy HOW Barley will react to a new, permanent puppy in your home: 'grumbles and squabbles' between two adult dogs of comparable size might be acceptable. Between Barley and a pup they could be a disaster and have permanent detrimental effects on the pup and its view of other dogs (especially Barley). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 18:25:10 GMT
Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick PP - on another thread you said you take a muzzle to training classes because sometimes Barley gets snappy.  |
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Post by CollieSlave on Jul 20, 2013 18:31:59 GMT
How bad can this dog be if it was able to be shown in the ring at Crufts? I am surprised at the idea that being able to be shown in the ring at Crufts seems, in your opinion, to suggest that the dog can't be too bad! Is your question rhetorical? Or are you really unaware of the various issues that Barley appears to have? The issues that are alluded to by posters are only known to us because Puppypal has herself raised them and sought advice and guidance (perhaps not always accepted!). It is not unknown for dogs that perform immaculately in the ring at Crufts to display somewhat hooliganistic behaviour when out of the ring - like pulling like tractors on the lead! |
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Post by puppypal on Jul 20, 2013 19:36:30 GMT
Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick PP - on another thread you said you take a muzzle to training classes because sometimes Barley gets snappy. we only take it as a precaution as some of the other dogs in our class are dog aggressive and if they start to kick of barley does as well, and sometimes it can take him a while to calm down, he has never worn it and hopefully never will. it is a last case scenario that he would wear it |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 20:19:49 GMT
Sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick PP - on another thread you said you take a muzzle to training classes because sometimes Barley gets snappy. we only take it as a precaution as some of the other dogs in our class are dog aggressive and if they start to kick of barley does as well, and sometimes it can take him a while to calm down, he has never worn it and hopefully never will. it is a last case scenario that he would wear it This is a very odd training class if they are happy to mix dog aggressive dogs that need muzzles in case they kick off, with puppies as young as 3 months.  yourpetforums.co.uk/thread/1254/dog-training-classes |
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Post by puppypal on Jul 20, 2013 20:34:08 GMT
we only take it as a precaution as some of the other dogs in our class are dog aggressive and if they start to kick of barley does as well, and sometimes it can take him a while to calm down, he has never worn it and hopefully never will. it is a last case scenario that he would wear it This is a very odd training class if they are happy to mix dog aggressive dogs that need muzzles in case they kick off, with puppies as young as 3 months. yourpetforums.co.uk/thread/1254/dog-training-classes he is not in the puppy class any more, he moved up, he had 2 lesson before he moved up cause he was to advanced for all the basic puppy stuff, and the dog aggressive dog is in the next class, he was fine in the first class. if you read through the thread you will find out about this |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 21, 2013 7:51:19 GMT
he is not in the puppy class any more, he moved up, he had 2 lesson before he moved up cause he was to advanced for all the basic puppy stuff, and the dog aggressive dog is in the next class, he was fine in the first class. if you read through the thread you will find out about this Are there other aggressive dogs in Barley's class? |
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