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Post by charlottte on Jul 14, 2013 9:48:16 GMT
Then you separate them before hand  I dunno, I just don't see a point in causing potential problems in modifying behaviour if It can be managed easily. Often many trainers/behaviourists will mention separation as the first port of call. It's usually only dominance trainers that will not consider separation. And those methods are detrimental 99% of the time. |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 14, 2013 10:20:02 GMT
I agree with all the above, simplest option and less stressful all round ( both human and dogs )is to feed them in separate areas, apart from that said puppy will be having more feeds than Barley ? and obviously that is another thing to consider ? I would disagree that Barley comes first ! One can't be seen to be treated differently to the other as such. I meant, PP can't just think about the puppy - Barley was the dog there first, and Barley should not have to suffer in ANY areas because of the puppy. Whilst the pup is being prepared for, Barley should still receive the same amount of thought into him. |
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Post by fatamorgana on Jul 14, 2013 10:25:17 GMT
If you're going to find it difficult to separate Barley and the new pup at meal times, and Barley's various health problems, I wonder if your home is a suitable and safe environment for any puppy.
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 14, 2013 10:32:34 GMT
*If you're going to find it difficult to separate Barley and the new pup at meal times, and Barley's various health problems, I wonder if your home is a suitable and safe environment for any puppy. This is what I meant (in a way) by 'Barley comes first'. If Barley's needs are not met, just because of what a new puppy is going to cause, then * |
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Post by Avansa on Jul 14, 2013 12:47:43 GMT
We have always separated Milo and Finn while eating because Milo is a typical greedy Labrador and creeps around Finn's bowl - Finn is too polite to stop Milo from doing it, but if he WAS food aggressive, that would obviously be a problem. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've heard Tollers are supposed to be quite greedy (as are most gundogs). Your puppy may not be able to resist going up to Barley and shoving its head in his food bowl - what would happen then?
That's a risk that I wouldn't be willing to take.
The other thing that worries me is Barley's health problems. I recall you saying that he has problems with his legs that make them extremely painful? Is he really going to appreciate a puppy jumping all over him? This will cause him pain, and make him far more likely to be aggressive (and I wouldn't blame him!!)
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Post by gladys on Jul 14, 2013 13:36:45 GMT
I can't see any reason why you can't just separate them at meal times?? I looked after a friends puppy for two days before Christmas and I fed her and Cooper separately even though neither of them are aggressive. Because I was round the friends house and she has no doors or baby gates down stairs I put puppy in her crate while Cooper enjoyed his food and then Cooper went in his travel crate while pup ate hers. When I get our second dog I will use the baby gate, doors or crate/pup pen to separate Cooper and pup while eating, not because of behaviour problems (you could play with Coopers food while eating and he doesn't care) but because I feel that whatever age they should be able to enjoy their meals in peace.  |
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Post by doggiesrule28280 on Jul 14, 2013 19:12:50 GMT
I can't see any reason why you can't just separate them at meal times?? I looked after a friends puppy for two days before Christmas and I fed her and Cooper separately even though neither of them are aggressive. Because I was round the friends house and she has no doors or baby gates down stairs I put puppy in her crate while Cooper enjoyed his food and then Cooper went in his travel crate while pup ate hers. When I get our second dog I will use the baby gate, doors or crate/pup pen to separate Cooper and pup while eating, not because of behaviour problems (you could play with Coopers food while eating and he doesn't care) but because I feel that whatever age they should be able to enjoy their meals in peace. I'm not sure about PP but for me, the dogs don't get angry at mealtimes, only when I g e them a treat or a bone. Say I'm out on a walk and I give each dog a treat, i can't really separate them because I can only be in one place at once. |
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Post by CurlyCub on Jul 14, 2013 19:14:58 GMT
Ok so the advice has been given; split them up or refer to a behaviorist. I don't think it needs to be repeated by so many members, I am sure puppypal can read just fine. No offence meant to anyone. |
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Post by gladys on Jul 14, 2013 19:27:32 GMT
Ok so the advice has been given; split them up or refer to a behaviorist. I don't think it needs to be repeated by so many members, I am sure puppypal can read just fine. No offence meant to anyone. OK then!!  |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jul 15, 2013 17:21:30 GMT
Ok so the advice has been given; split them up or refer to a behaviorist. I don't think it needs to be repeated by so many members, I am sure puppypal can read just fine. No offence meant to anyone. , members are simply trying to get their point across. When it doesn't seem to be getting across (because either another member has something to say about your suggestion etc) then you post again in reply. You could have given puppypal an answer regarding Barley's issue, instead of making it something to do with the people giving helpful comments |
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Post by doggiesrule28280 on Jul 15, 2013 19:08:42 GMT
I don't think a behaviourist is necessary for Archie because it only happens rarely, other than that he's friendly and well behaved. We trained otto out of his aggression with other dogs, I'm sure there will be a method to train Archie.
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Post by CurlyCub on Jul 15, 2013 19:45:42 GMT
Ok so the advice has been given; split them up or refer to a behaviorist. I don't think it needs to be repeated by so many members, I am sure puppypal can read just fine. No offence meant to anyone. , members are simply trying to get their point across. When it doesn't seem to be getting across (because either another member has something to say about your suggestion etc) then you post again in reply. You could have given puppypal an answer regarding Barley's issue, instead of making it something to do with the people giving helpful comments I did give PP an answer It's just a lot of people are repeating the same thing. |
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Post by puppypal on Jul 15, 2013 19:55:50 GMT
I have taken the advice given into consideration, we will consider a behaviorist, but probably nearer the time as it could be some time before we get a puppy.
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Post by charlottte on Jul 15, 2013 20:10:47 GMT
Could be better to get a start on it early though. You don't want to have to deal with it when the puppy is there and it can take a LONG time to rectify. Especially a dog that has been practising resource guarding for a prolonged period. Good luck though  |
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Post by puppypal on Jul 15, 2013 20:14:58 GMT
Could be better to get a start on it early though. You don't want to have to deal with it when the puppy is there and it can take a LONG time to rectify. Especially a dog that has been practising resource guarding for a prolonged period. Good luck though he has not been practicing resource guarding for a long time as he has not had a dog in the house to guard the food from, he is fine with people near his food, a little grumpy with some types of bone, but we are working on that, using a trading technique, of if you give me that bone you will get something nice like chicken, cheese or ham, then if you were good at handing it over you can get it back again |
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