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Post by puppypal on May 28, 2013 20:18:02 GMT
he is good with pups and tolerates their pestering but he does reach a point where he will give a little growl and snarl just to say i have had enough and it is time to stop, when mica stayed for the weekend we met her at the park and she walked home with us and barley.
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Post by Avansa on May 28, 2013 21:30:38 GMT
puppypal, may I ask what breeder you're getting your puppy from? I would not want to get a dog from a breeder who would allow it into this situation, unless you haven't been entirely truthful with them?
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Post by Pawsforthought on May 28, 2013 21:36:07 GMT
It sounds like Barley would really not enjoy another dog in his home at the moment. He sounds as if he is quite nervous in a lot of situations, and not only would this reflect onto your puppy, but would probably also only make Barley worse. I really feel as if you will get this dog and forget about Barley, and that all your care and attention that goes into him (not enough into his training as it is!) will go out of the window. I feel a bit sorry for him really, he's going to have a very nervous, unhappy life when your puppy comes into your life. It'll be your SAR dog, your baby, the light of your life whatever.... where's he going to end up? A nervous wreck with a lot of behavioural issues that will only be worsened with another dog around.
Why can't you give him the attention he GREATLY needs? If you can't, you certainly won't be able to cope with training a puppy AND training him too? It seems ridiculous that you would think you can manage to do both, and if you KNOW you can't, then you are accepting that Barley won't get enough attention and still going through with it. I don't understand what is going through your parents' brains let alone yours! This is utterly crazy.
If your puppy grows up in the same way as Barley has, which undoubtedly it will, then it will grow up to have the same problems as him...especially if it has him as a role model. Then you'll end up with TWO dogs with behaviour issues (and undoubtedly you'll just get another puppy...so then three, then four etc.) It also won't make a very good SAR dog?
You have to stop blaming Barley for the problems he has and admit someone is doing something wrong with him, and fix the problem!
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Post by bextull on May 28, 2013 21:48:45 GMT
I think that your efforts to deter PP from getting a second dog are a waste of energry . As I posted on the Quote Thread, " Many receive advice, only the wise profit from it". Of course, " in order to be old and wise, one must first be young and stupid".
We will no doubt see in time whether or not all this actually goes to plan. I see on another thread that PP can already predict that her new puppy will be toy and treat motivated. The dog which has probably yet to be concieved, let alone born.
I find it a little odd that with knowing all these people doing animal behaviour courses, doing agility and obedience, cani-cross, showing and SAR, that PP seems to have so much trouble finding help with these problems Barley has (and with nearly a new one each week too). Surely there is somebody out of all of those people that can offer help before waiting for a general obedience class to start, and after all, Barely seems to know all these tricks, why would he need a general obedience class?
I find things very stange if you ask me. I may be over analysing things, but it's just a little odd to me.
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 29, 2013 7:34:54 GMT
Huh, one simple grammar mistake and things escalated quickly. BorderTerrier, I can assure you, I'm certainly not hung up on a grammar mistake. I let it go about 5 minutes after posting it. It appears to be you my dear who is hung up with it. Arguments happen, get over it. If you don't like them, then don't read them. And if I do recall correctly, you are no angel, you have kept plenty of arguments going before. When did you become the 'all knowing' one anyway, deciding what is a heated discussion and what is an argument - if there is a difference. I don't see any argument going on here, it is just a 'heated discussion' about some potentialy dangerous behavioural problems (with a little grammar thrown in) We cannot all agree in life, that would just be boring. I find the prospect of actually worrying what your dog would do if a stanger came in, or got over to a strange dog quite frightening. It doesn't make me look forward to meeting such a dog on a walk. Why are you just picking on me about it? There were more people than just me saying the same. Anyways, getting over that; puppypal; if you are going to introduce a new puppy into your home I would definitely put Barley before the new puppy. Your saying Barley is OK with dogs he knows in the home, however, he won't know the puppy at first will he!? I know a girl who brought a new puppy into her home life, and the current dog wasn't happy, and was showing jealously of the new puppy by avoiding the girl. I am not saying this will happen to you with Barley - its just that with what your saying Barley is like with some other dogs, it seems that your case could be a lot worse. Not all dogs are happy with a new puppy being brought into their home - that's just the way it goes sometimes, and you've got to put the old dog before the new dog - he was there first! When you say: "But you would not want a stranger coming into your house uninvited so neither would he." Please remember that the puppy is going to be a stranger coming into Barley's house at first: you have to start somewhere! Hopefully everything will go OK  |
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Post by CurlyCub on May 29, 2013 9:44:05 GMT
I am very sure puppypal will put Barley before the new puppy as she obviously loves him and cares for him very well. Sometimes in life you have to try new things or you're never going to get anywhere. I think Barley will be fine when he gets use to the new puppy, animals adapt quickly. bextull Yes we all understand you were just pointing out a spelling mistake it's just the way you wrote it, in bold and all. Sometimes it can come across a bit like you're laughing at a simple mistake. Maybe not saying 'I thought people over the age of 12 would know this, maybe not :/' would have been kinder. All BorderTerrier is saying is that arguments don't need to happen on the forum. No one enjoys them I'm sure. I would class this as a 'heated discussion' not an argument. I will admit I would be very upset if people treated me that way they're treating PP on this thread. |
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Post by charlottte on May 29, 2013 10:11:39 GMT
I didn't mean to cause offence or upset to PP, it just wasn't stated 'what' Barley would do if he got to the other dog and the quote seemed a bit ominous.
I just wanted to back up why I had asked. I didn't mean to start another conversation about the puppy. We've been there and done that.
I'm sure of introduced right, everything will be fine
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 29, 2013 10:21:43 GMT
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Post by CurlyCub on May 29, 2013 10:23:14 GMT
Oh yes I know BorderTerrier! charlottte has always been a kind member of the forum it's just all the comments seem to be adding up a bit (from other members). |
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 29, 2013 10:25:30 GMT
Let us drop it now... no offence, but people will think we are the stupid ones going on about the argument.
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Post by bextull on May 29, 2013 15:46:38 GMT
Why are you just picking on me about it? There were more people than just me saying the same. I wasn't picking on you. It was a response to your comment towards me and then your opinion about arguments. Anyways, getting over that; You do that then. |
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Post by puppypal on May 29, 2013 17:06:43 GMT
Avansa we have only asked the breeders when they are planning on having their next litter, nothing else Pawsforthought barley will still get attention payed to him he will not be left out, he is not as bad as it sounds, we know he has problems and some have been overcome and others are still a work in progress. we know where we have gone wrong with barley and the start of that was getting him in the first place he was/is not an ideal first dog, he is/was very difficult but no matter what we have never given up on him, we could have just said he was too much for us and given him to a rescue center but we didn't we kept him and worked with him, he is not perfect but no dog is perfect and there are far more dogs that are a lot worse than him bextull we have been to those people and got advice from them, some of that i have not agreed with but others we have used and he has learnt from, one SAR persons methods of training are very similar to cesar milan we had a 1 to 1 session with him and we never went back i really did not agree with his methods of training. Dad is the one who wants him to go to training classes so he becomes more 'obedient' mainly due to recall but also socializing with other dogs and people, dad was supposed to be handling him but i went against that as i feel he will get more out of training with me. at this training place you have to start of with a beginners course then work up to harder classes,
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 29, 2013 17:15:12 GMT
Avansa we have only asked the breeders when they are planning on having their next litter, nothing else Pawsforthought barley will still get attention payed to him he will not be left out, he is not as bad as it sounds, we know he has problems and some have been overcome and others are still a work in progress. we know where we have gone wrong with barley and the start of that was getting him in the first place he was/is not an ideal first dog, he is/was very difficult but no matter what we have never given up on him, we could have just said he was too much for us and given him to a rescue center but we didn't we kept him and worked with him, he is not perfect but no dog is perfect and there are far more dogs that are a lot worse than him bextull we have been to those people and got advice from them, some of that i have not agreed with but others we have used and he has learnt from, one SAR persons methods of training are very similar to cesar milan we had a 1 to 1 session with him and we never went back i really did not agree with his methods of training. Dad is the one who wants him to go to training classes so he becomes more 'obedient' mainly due to recall but also socializing with other dogs and people, dad was supposed to be handling him but i went against that as i feel he will get more out of training with me. at this training place you have to start of with a beginners course then work up to harder classes, Isn't it like this at most training 'places'? |
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Post by puppypal on May 29, 2013 17:22:29 GMT
i don't know as this is the first training place we have been to
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Post by charlottte on May 29, 2013 17:30:30 GMT
A lot of the ones I've heard of are like that. Because obviously the dogs need to know the basics before building upon those skills. No point putting a dog in an advanced class if it can do basic sits/downs/stays etc. If he can do all those, just think of it as generalising/proofing the behaviours |
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