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Post by bubbles87 on Apr 21, 2014 10:59:55 GMT
Harry has never been fully comfortable with travelling in the car, he pants & salivating allot. I thought maybe the more he travelled as he got older the better he would get but it hasn't changed. Infact its got worse as last 2 longer journeys (20/30mins) he has been sick :-( anyone any clues to what this may be? Is it travel sickness? Is he anxious about being in the car? Is there something I can do to calm him? He sits in the back seat with his seat belt on next to Bert...sometimes on top of Bert lol. Windows are always cracked open to let air in. I try talking to him...I've tried ignoring the behaviour, I've gave him a toy, made sure he has been to the toilet before travelling, made sure he hasn't eaten close to times we are going out. I'm not sure what else to do? Help?
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Post by caz2golden on Apr 21, 2014 12:30:48 GMT
Sounds like a mix of being uncomfortable in the car environment (panting) to car sickness (being sick) Dogs stomachs are like a dumping ground and where most of the digestion of their food takes place. i.e food sits in stomach a long time before moving to the intestines. Therefore feeding well in advance to prevent them bringing food back up you are talking many hours! Traveling wise mine has brought up stuff she ate 5-6 hrs before. Mine was cured by getting a second dog. She brought it up the new addition ate it, she has not been sick again, as if to say I keep my own dinner!! Some people give something like a ginger biscuit before traveling to help keep tummy less queasy (mine would not touch them) Others give things like what Dorwest offers www.dorwest.com/Category/Travel-Sickness (never tried them so cant comment if they work). You can assess your driving habits, think of keeping a full glass of water on your dashboard and you must not spill (no fast turns, swinging car on roundabouts, taking speed bumps too quickly, any fast changes in speed etc. This helped my dog. Observe for pre sick markers. i.e mine will sit up, have hang dog look etc and I then know she is not feeling great so can stop and give her a breather or make sure I dont swing her about at all till she settles again. As for feeling safe in car then it comes down to experiences they have and making every one positive. Have you tried feeding his meals in car, having play sessions and chill out sessions in car, going somewhere and watching world go by etc etc. Also some dogs dont like to be in too open a space. My mums dog for example prefers to be in a tight-ish space curled up, give her a big estate boot and she is very uncomfortable (salavas, wont settle etc etc). My second dog totally freaked when I caged her as a pup and the moment I put her on a car harness she settled straightaway. Its finding how the dog is happiest to travel. May be worth considering crating him in the car and seeing if he is happier that way. Have you ID what makes him nervous, engine, movement etc. Maybe as he is up on the seat the movement of houses, trees etc is making him feel ill, have you tried reducing vision out to prevent him seeing movement? HTH
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Post by bubbles87 on Apr 21, 2014 13:38:23 GMT
I think allot of it will be trial & error as I really can't pin point what it is that's causing it. You have suggested a few things that I will try out. As I always say nothing ventured nothing gained. He always lies in the oddest positive while travelling which surely can't help. I will see if I can find a picture just incase this shows anything
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Post by bubbles87 on Apr 21, 2014 13:45:46 GMT
This is the only photo I can find just now but usually his head is further up & more in a sitting position between the door & seat with head pointing up
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Post by teegiebear on Apr 21, 2014 13:55:36 GMT
Great advice above Where do you take him In the car? A lot of people say their dogs hate the car but they're only in the car when they're going to the vets so not always a nice experience for them. Try putting him in the car don't start the engine and them back out, up it to in the car start the engine and sit for a few mins then stop it and back in the house without driving anywhere, then in the car drive round the block and then home, see how he is with this and you might be able to see how long he lasts before he panics or starts to stress. Might take a wee while but might be worth a shot, maybe try taking someone else with you so you can concentrate on road and dog
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Post by chantel on Apr 21, 2014 18:44:57 GMT
i have had the same problem with Riley when he was younger, he would tremble, and vomit it was very traumatic, i tried sitting him in the car whilst i was parked on the drive, taking him around the block. every day and each time going a little further, over time he did seem to get a little better/ no vomiting / panting. i tried travel sickness tablets from the vet but they did nothing has i don't think it was really travel sickness it was more down to anxiety issues, the vet did advise me to try serene - UM calm tablets (non sedating) for travel car sickness ,seperation anxiety,fireworks and thunder storms, and noise phobias, since using these tablets riley has much improved during car journeys the only thing he really does now is excessive drooling. but to be honest i can cope with that, he seems more relaxed whilst in the car he even has started lying down on the back seat which he would never have done, riley suffers with quite a few anxiety issues one being noise phobias but he is much better whilst taking the calms, riley has been on the calms now for some time and i did try to wean him off them and he just was a nervous wreck so i introduced them to him again and he has much improved.
Riley was at the vets last week for his booster and i asked the vet about taking these tablets long term and she said if they seem to be suiting them to stick with them as they are only herbal and non sedating..
I hope this helps you out a little i know how frustrating it can be. Good Luck.
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Post by chantel on Apr 21, 2014 18:47:59 GMT
Sorry i forgot to say you can get them from pets at home and other pet retailers but i get them from amazon.:-)
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Post by bubbles87 on Apr 22, 2014 9:30:54 GMT
Usually if we are going out in the car it will be visiting family/friends or somewhere different for a walk like the other day was the beach which he was happy once he was there just not while in the car. He does also get a little anxious around new people/dogs we meet while out where as Bert loves everyone human...dog...cat...he doesn't mind really. I'm just hoping that through all your advise & ideas we will find something that may suit him.
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Post by bubbles87 on Apr 22, 2014 9:33:43 GMT
Oh my partner went to take boys out in the car yesterday & Harry started shaking & salivating almost as soon as he was in the car...which isn't normal but I'm not sure if its just because it's still in his mind his last trip out in the car & he was sick then...
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Post by alfiemummy on Apr 22, 2014 14:15:41 GMT
It sounds like he is associating the car with something bad. I would try getting him used to the car but not going anywhere like caz2golden said. Take him in and out of the car, feed him, play with him in there and try to distract him and make it seem like fun. Then just sit with the engine on for a while and do the same before going anywhere too far. Let us know how you get on
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Post by smilesbetter on Apr 22, 2014 15:26:40 GMT
Hello,
Harry is quite small, isn't he? Have you tried putting him in a dog box in the boot, or on a seat but covered so that he can't see outside? A lot of people get car sick because of the movement out the side of their eyes so being in the dark/unable to see out windows could help calm him and also stop the sickness.
If he panics before you even move the car, in addition to having him in a dog box, you could get him in the unmoving car every day and feed him one meal there so that he can begin to associate it with good things. Then after a few weeks if he's quite comfortable, try turning on the engine while he eats, after a while more go for short journeys and increase over time. Always have him in his box for this to both keep him safe and also prevent sickness.
Good luck!
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Post by alfiemummy on Apr 22, 2014 19:41:41 GMT
Thought it might also to be handy to mention Alfie's experiences in the car!
He used to travel in the boot behind a dog guard. We had quite a bit of trouble with him getting excited, he would whine a lot for most of the ride unless we were going on a long trip when he would settle down eventually. Whenever the car stopped for traffic lights or just because of traffic, he would start barking and whining a lot, when we reached our destination it was a nightmare with barking and him trying to fly out of the boot.
A little while back I decided I was fed up with moving the dog guard between my mum's car and my car as it took quite a while and was very fiddly to put in - so I got him a harness. I wish I'd done it sooner! He doesn't bark or whine at all now and will sit there quite calmly just looking out of the window or between the front seats. He is calm getting in and out of the car too! He now only barks sometimes when we pull up at our destination - usually only if he sees another dog outside. I didn't need to do anything - the behaviour change was instant. I think he prefers that he is closer to you and can see you.
I realise that this is a completely different problem to yours but thought I might mention it as the change in his behaviour just from travelling in a different area of the car was amazing - he is like a different dog and no longer a terror in the car, he is now fun to travel with!
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Post by zahada on Apr 23, 2014 17:20:48 GMT
I would try a crate or a carrier. I would fix the crate firmly so it cannot move in any direction. I would line up the longest sides of the crate with the direction of travel so he faces forward as apparently that can minimise nausea. I would make sure that the crate is level – by putting rolled towel under the back end of the crate. I would put a non slip liner in the crate such as rubber backed vet bed so that if he stands up just as you’re going round a corner he doesn’t slide all over the place. I would cover the top and sides of the crates so he can’t see the countryside moving past. Caz2golden – sicked up ginger biscuits stink awful….
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Post by tonib on Apr 23, 2014 18:02:51 GMT
Mine was cured by getting a second dog. She brought it up the new addition ate it, she has not been sick again, as if to say I keep my own dinner!! Oh dear this had tears of laughter running down my face as I mis-read it as Wondered how she'd swallowed it in the first place!!!! My OH wondered if it a new method of birth!! D
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Post by caz2golden on Apr 23, 2014 18:26:40 GMT
Glad I gave you a good giggle Tonib You have given me a good giggle at this end by the way you read it
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