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Post by BorderTerrier on May 31, 2013 8:02:36 GMT
I have nothing against raw, and I like the idea of it, however, I am happy feeding a dry diet and keeping Earl's water bowls full of fresh water so that he gets the moisture he needs. Pawsforthought; My mum says raw carries bacteria, could make someone ill, and makes the dogs poo runny. I have no clue whether this is the case or not. But it sounds like she doesn't like raw. SarahHound; are your unknown reasons for disliking raw the same as my mum's by any chance?
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Post by charlottte on May 31, 2013 8:28:56 GMT
I have nothing against raw and as long as it isn't left lying around for ages then the bacteria shouldn't be that much of an issue I wouldn't have thought. My man was the same thought BT, when we tried feeding raw my dad had cancer so she didn't want to have the risk of infection in the house regardless of how clean we kept everything. Especially seeing as he takes his food out his bowl to eat it. Fortunately he didn't take to it anyway so it wasn't an issue lol
I personally don't like the idea of bones, I've heard too many horror stories and although I know there's millions of dogs that safely have bones every day, it wouldn't be worth the risk for me. Just reading PFs post about Bernie sent shivers down my spine.
I think as long as your dog is healthy on food, be it dry/wet/raw/homecooked, not overweight and is getting everything they need, I don't think it matters what they're fed. Like has been said, every dog is different and will thrive on different foods.
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Post by bextull on May 31, 2013 9:08:53 GMT
I have nothing against raw, and I like the idea of it, however, I am happy feeding a dry diet and keeping Earl's water bowls full of fresh water so that he gets the moisture he needs. Pawsforthought; My mum says raw carries bacteria, could make someone ill, and makes the dogs poo runny. I have no clue whether this is the case or not. But it sounds like she doesn't like raw. But does your mum not handle and prepare raw meat for your own meals? What really gets me is the fact that an argument against raw is salmonella in chicken and then in the dogs waste. Umm, is it a surprise that a dog fed raw chicken has salmonella in its poo? No. And, do we have to be told that a dogs waste is not hygienic. This is another, very interesting article Re raw feeding. pippamattinson.com/are-vets-driving-raw-feeders-away/
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Post by petitsfilous on May 31, 2013 10:16:58 GMT
I don't think I could ever work at p@h watching dog owners buy Bakers every day. I'd kill myself.. I mentally shut my head in the till draw every time I scan a bag of Bakers I have nothing against raw and as long as it isn't left lying around for ages then the bacteria shouldn't be that much of an issue I wouldn't have thought. My man was the same thought BT, when we tried feeding raw my dad had cancer so she didn't want to have the risk of infection in the house regardless of how clean we kept everything. Especially seeing as he takes his food out his bowl to eat it. Fortunately he didn't take to it anyway so it wasn't an issue lol I personally don't like the idea of bones, I've heard too many horror stories and although I know there's millions of dogs that safely have bones every day, it wouldn't be worth the risk for me. Just reading PFs post about Bernie sent shivers down my spine. I think as long as your dog is healthy on food, be it dry/wet/raw/homecooked, not overweight and is getting everything they need, I don't think it matters what they're fed. Like has been said, every dog is different and will thrive on different foods. Yeah, I can safely say I am off the raw bandwagon and no longer preach it like I used to. I am thinking of having a baby within a year as well and wouldn't like the risk of raw meat around the house when the time comes.
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Post by CollieSlave on May 31, 2013 10:29:57 GMT
An interesting article, as you say, Bextull. Now I am not jumping either way in the raw/kibble discussion. To quote from the article- But here is my question: How many meals does it take on average, to injure a raw fed dog? What is the risk in a dog’s lifetime? Is it ten percent, one in a million? It is important that we know the answer to this, because nothing in life, including the consumption of kibble, is risk free.
I am suspicious of statistics! The writer is a scientist and they tend to love statistics! If the chances of injury from raw feeding are, say 10%, or even one in a million, then that is NO consolation for the owner who happens to BE that one in a million and their dog is badly injured from a bone splinter!! Relying on statistics no-one in their right mind would risk money on the National Lottery but many do - and despite the overwhelming odds against winning, people DO win massive jackpots! The one in a million quoted above is almost a certainty compared with lottery odds!
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 31, 2013 11:22:29 GMT
I have nothing against raw, and I like the idea of it, however, I am happy feeding a dry diet and keeping Earl's water bowls full of fresh water so that he gets the moisture he needs. Pawsforthought; My mum says raw carries bacteria, could make someone ill, and makes the dogs poo runny. I have no clue whether this is the case or not. But it sounds like she doesn't like raw. But does your mum not handle and prepare raw meat for your own meals? What really gets me is the fact that an argument against raw is salmonella in chicken and then in the dogs waste. Umm, is it a surprise that a dog fed raw chicken has salmonella in its poo? No. And, do we have to be told that a dogs waste is not hygienic. This is another, very interesting article Re raw feeding. pippamattinson.com/are-vets-driving-raw-feeders-away/I disagree with my mum, however I respect her opinion. I have no clue WHY she thinks that way to raw feeding.
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Post by Pawsforthought on May 31, 2013 12:42:23 GMT
I have nothing against raw, and I like the idea of it, however, I am happy feeding a dry diet and keeping Earl's water bowls full of fresh water so that he gets the moisture he needs. Pawsforthought; My mum says raw carries bacteria, could make someone ill, and makes the dogs poo runny. I have no clue whether this is the case or not. But it sounds like she doesn't like raw. SarahHound; are your unknown reasons for disliking raw the same as my mum's by any chance? As long as your raw meat is responsibly sourced (ie. Natural Instinct/reliable butcher) it wouldn't cause a dog any problems. It makes their poo much firmer. Dogs' tummies have to become accustomed to the bacteria within any new food, particularly if you're starting raw. Remember your argument about what they would have eaten in the wild..? Dogs were (arguably) designed to eat raw food, they have a far better immune system than we, and they build up natural resistances to bacteria when exposed to them. And as for PEOPLE handling raw food, as long as you are hygienic, don't smear the food over your counter tops/faces you'll be fine and any surface that has been touched by raw food just needs a quick spray to sanitise it. I'm quite OCD about these things but I can handle it!
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Post by SarahHound on May 31, 2013 15:47:41 GMT
Each to their own, I can understand why he says it though, obviously, being a dry food creator! I tried Burns for a while, but we seemed to get a dodgy bag where all my dogs got ill eating it. I contacted them and they said I can't have stored it right, and I said all the bags of food I've used had been stored the same way, and never made anyone sick. So I stopped feeding it. I personally don't like raw, but that's my choice, I wouldn't go around saying you shouldn't feed it. Just out of interest, what are your reasons for not liking it? It doesn't agree with Todd, Lucy doesn't like it, and I like to keep all three eating the same really. Main thing for me though is I can't stomach the smell. Germs don't bother me in the slightest, but the smell makes me boak. I really do respect those who feed it, but I personally can't.
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Post by SarahHound on May 31, 2013 15:48:49 GMT
Argh it won't let me edit my post. Katy would eat raw, she's had a few bits, but its just easier for me to have all three eating the same. Freezer space and supply is also an issue for me due to my location.
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 31, 2013 18:27:04 GMT
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Post by caz2golden on May 31, 2013 20:41:47 GMT
The first NI box I fed made my stomach turn, it was the blood at the bottom of the container!! lol However by the second I was fine.
I have handled meat since I was a kid so know to keep things clean and dont spread around the surfaces. As PFT put as long as you are ready with the disinfectant for anything that is dropped on the kitchen tops you are fine.
Dogs are designed to eat meat not cereal so feeding grain reduced/free, homemade or raw sort of makes sense.
My youngest is currently not thriving on dry and wet so giving raw a go to see if that works better for her. I hope it does sure expensive set up costs so far 1 freezer £150!! lol
I still have my reservations about bones but guess that's where NI and egg shells (from a person who has their own chooks and ducks so eggs not waxed) come into play (reduce number of days I feed proper bone meals) !!
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jun 1, 2013 10:36:12 GMT
What are your worries about bones, Caz? Milo swallows some things whole if he can. Wings and (as it now turns out) drumsticks are a no-go, but the Lamb neck he had took him AGES to eat
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Post by caz2golden on Jun 1, 2013 12:25:24 GMT
Its reservations from what I have read as well as what I have experienced. You only have to read about PF incident and it sends a shiver down my spine!
I have had a couple of instances of dog being sick and bringing up super sharp bone lumps. I can see how perforation of intestine could happen!
Last weekend my youngest poo'd approx 2-3cm length of bone indicating:-
1. she did not chew enough before swallowing 2. it did not digest! i.e stomach acid made little impact on it! 3. that was big enough that it could have caused blockage
They have had their first recreational bones today and loved the 1/2 hr I allowed them to have them for!
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jun 1, 2013 12:53:02 GMT
I think you have to be careful and give them a bone that is too big for their mouth so they HAVE to gnaw on it rather than swallow whole! Hard for Milo as everything seems to just get sucked into his black hole of a mouth
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Post by caz2golden on Jun 1, 2013 13:08:09 GMT
I am mostly giving chicken quarters and large lumps of lamb breast. i.e things that are not small!
The splintered bones came from chicken leg quarters and pork ribs (both of which I now dont buy). However if it keeps going I wont have any options for bone left!!
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