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Post by Pawsforthought on May 30, 2013 10:34:06 GMT
BT, there's no shame in admitting you didn't know how crappy certain dog foods are when you first started out in dog ownership. That's why advertising is so poisonous, it makes you think it's the best thing for your dog...it's basically lying but they're allowed to get away with it! Monty was on Purina food when we got him, his breeder is an extremely caring woman and no less of a breeder or dog owner because she believes adverts! She watches telly but she doesn't really use the computer, so how is anyone supposed to know until they get on a forum? (And some people just don't have the time.) We carried on feeding him it until *I* managed to convince my parents to change to better foods, and now they're on one of the very best kibbles.
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 30, 2013 11:21:35 GMT
BT, there's no shame in admitting you didn't know how crappy certain dog foods are when you first started out in dog ownership. That's why advertising is so poisonous, it makes you think it's the best thing for your dog...it's basically lying but they're allowed to get away with it!Monty was on Purina food when we got him, his breeder is an extremely caring woman and no less of a breeder or dog owner because she believes adverts! She watches telly but she doesn't really use the computer, so how is anyone supposed to know until they get on a forum? (And some people just don't have the time.) We carried on feeding him it until *I* managed to convince my parents to change to better foods, and now they're on one of the very best kibbles. That is very true, however, Burns wasn't crappy really, it was fine - but then hearing what John Burns says, trying to predict the lives of individual dogs he has never even seen, never mind 'life identified', I don't think I am too keen on him as a person.
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Post by Avansa on May 30, 2013 13:09:47 GMT
Burns isn't ideal by far, but compared to some foods really isn't that bad. Milo was fed on it (along with Naturediet) for a couple of years and was perfectly fine. It was when we got Finn and fed him Burns "puppy and small dog" that we decided to change foods. Although this was advertised as a puppy food, the only reason for that was because the kibbles were small, rather than it actually having all the right nutrition that a puppy needs. Finn ended up being underweight and not very healthy - I think partly due to the food and partly because he was ill. Now that he's on a raw diet he's far more chunky - even had to reduce the amount he was fed because he started to get a bit chubby
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 30, 2013 15:23:07 GMT
I agree - Burns was perfectly fine a food for us, back when we fed puppy. I don't see anything wrong with the food - it concerns me when the producer, John Burns, tries to reassure himself that he DOES in fact know exactly what every individual dog does with its life, then goes on talking about how much exercise domestic dogs get nowadays compared to the original wolf... he doesn't know, maybe there's a dog out there racing across fields for hours because it works on a farm? Mr Burns, what do you know about our dogs?!
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Post by CollieSlave on May 30, 2013 15:55:47 GMT
I agree - Burns was perfectly fine a food for us, back when we fed puppy. I don't see anything wrong with the food - it concerns me when the producer, John Burns, tries to reassure himself that he DOES in fact know exactly what every individual dog does with its life, then goes on talking about how much exercise domestic dogs get nowadays compared to the original wolf... he doesn't know, maybe there's a dog out there racing across fields for hours because it works on a farm? Mr Burns, what do you know about our dogs?! It would surprise me to hear of a domestic dog that enjoyed as much exercise as an average wolf. I further doubt that John Burn's, who is no fool and a qualified vet, would suggest for one moment that he knows "exactly what every individual dog does with its life". I would also hazard a guess that Mr Burns knows quite a lot about 'our' dogs, certainly in general if not on an individual basis. There may be many who would not feed Burns' Food, but there are many who do, and are very satisfied with the results, with thriving, healthy dogs.
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Post by Pawsforthought on May 30, 2013 15:58:11 GMT
Can I point out that when I said 'crappy food' I was thinking of myself having fed Purina to Monty. I know Burns is a moderate dry kibble, it's certainly not in the same league as Bakers.
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 30, 2013 15:59:47 GMT
I agree - Burns was perfectly fine a food for us, back when we fed puppy. I don't see anything wrong with the food - it concerns me when the producer, John Burns, tries to reassure himself that he DOES in fact know exactly what every individual dog does with its life, then goes on talking about how much exercise domestic dogs get nowadays compared to the original wolf... he doesn't know, maybe there's a dog out there racing across fields for hours because it works on a farm? Mr Burns, what do you know about our dogs?! It would surprise me to hear of a domestic dog that enjoyed as much exercise as an average wolf. I further doubt that John Burn's, who is no fool and a qualified vet, would suggest for one moment that he knows "exactly what every individual dog does with its life". I would also hazard a guess that Mr Burns knows quite lot about 'our' dogs, certainly in general if not on an individual basis. There may be many who would not feed Burns' Food, but there are many who do, and are very satisfied with the results, with thriving, healthy dogs.And I was one of those people! I am not putting Burns down in any way!
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Post by CollieSlave on May 30, 2013 16:09:35 GMT
Can I point out that when I said 'crappy food' I was thinking of myself having fed Purina to Monty. I know Burns is a moderate dry kibble, it's certainly not in the same league as Bakers. I was going to say "Is anything in the same league as Bakers?" But then I thought, well, yes, there is, in terms of quality but I suspect few others can compete for conning and ripping off misguided dog owners!
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Post by Pawsforthought on May 30, 2013 16:13:36 GMT
I don't think I could ever work at p@h watching dog owners buy Bakers every day. I'd kill myself..
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Post by BorderTerrier on May 30, 2013 16:16:06 GMT
Burns is a legend compared to Bakers... I could imagine the foul sugary taste of Bakers.... ( ) Its a shame these new dog vending machines are sponsored by Bakers and are filled with the stuff - might as well look at a packet of usual sugar than look at a packet of usual Bakers...
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Post by CollieSlave on May 30, 2013 16:19:23 GMT
I don't think I could ever work at p@h watching dog owners buy Bakers every day. I'd kill myself.. On the other hand, given the success of Bakers, I wouldn't mind a hefty block of shares in the owning company. (TRAITOR!! They cry!)
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Post by Pawsforthought on May 30, 2013 16:19:56 GMT
Ever the controversial one
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Post by bextull on May 30, 2013 16:23:47 GMT
I don't think I could ever work at p@h watching dog owners buy Bakers every day. I'd kill myself.. On the other hand, given the success of Bakers, I wouldn't mind a hefty block of shares in the owning company. (TRAITOR!! They cry!) I think I'd prefer to have a share in pedigree. I see more pedigree products in baskets and more pedigree adds than bakers. Pedigree also own whiskers, so they have a wider product range. Oscar was on Hills for a year of his life. He also had Lathams, pedigree, Tesco own brand and now supadog. He has had burns as treats too.
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Post by SarahHound on May 30, 2013 18:03:44 GMT
Each to their own, I can understand why he says it though, obviously, being a dry food creator!
I tried Burns for a while, but we seemed to get a dodgy bag where all my dogs got ill eating it. I contacted them and they said I can't have stored it right, and I said all the bags of food I've used had been stored the same way, and never made anyone sick. So I stopped feeding it.
I personally don't like raw, but that's my choice, I wouldn't go around saying you shouldn't feed it.
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Post by Pawsforthought on May 30, 2013 20:06:15 GMT
Each to their own, I can understand why he says it though, obviously, being a dry food creator! I tried Burns for a while, but we seemed to get a dodgy bag where all my dogs got ill eating it. I contacted them and they said I can't have stored it right, and I said all the bags of food I've used had been stored the same way, and never made anyone sick. So I stopped feeding it. I personally don't like raw, but that's my choice, I wouldn't go around saying you shouldn't feed it. Just out of interest, what are your reasons for not liking it?
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