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Post by chaoclive on Nov 11, 2016 13:39:53 GMT
Hi there
Just wondering if anyone know which worming tablets would be suitable for a border collie/Labrador cross puppy? I have heard that ivermectin isn't a good choice for pups that part collie. I'd like to find out which tablets would be safe and also cover all the required worm bases. I've also heard that heartworms are not common in the UK so they said that drontal might be ok. Is that correct?
Thanks!
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Post by caz2golden on Nov 11, 2016 14:12:55 GMT
The following members might be able to advise on what is and what is not suitable for a collie breed with regard to chemical treatments for worms and parasites. Hopefully one of them will be along shortly to help  CollieSlave migsy smilesbetter sodapop chantel McCuddles gypsy bextull Think it depends on if your Collie cross carries the MDR1 gene which is common in herding breeds of dogs. Dogs carrying this gene are more prone to reacting to chemical treatments for internal and external parasites when a certain chemical is present (ivermectin is familiar as a name so could be that) Think Drontal is generally seen as a decent and relatively safe wormer but it does not cover lungworm. |
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Post by scallywag on Nov 11, 2016 17:55:23 GMT
I use Drontal and have done for my past 2 dogs and for Beau right now, But they were and are Springers didn't know there was a specific for Collies ? learn somit new every day on here  |
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Post by bextull on Nov 11, 2016 18:27:58 GMT
Some collies have a mutation of the MDR1 gene which can cause hypersensitivity to ceratin drugs, in particular ivermectin and heartworm treatments. (other breeds a can also carry this mutation such as australian shepherds and Shetland sheepdogs)
However given that you have a cross breed I wouldn't imagine that there would be an issue as the mutation is mainly found in pure collies (so genetics in a cross would be different).
In any case, it's probably best to avoid any of the ivermectin family.
Milbemax can be used but it can cause reactions in some collies (and other "at risk" dogs). Advocate is the same.
Drontal is safe to use.
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Post by caz2golden on Nov 11, 2016 19:04:17 GMT
bextull , what about Panacur (or Granofen as that is same chemical - Fenbendazole) which will cover certain Lungworm as well as you basic group of worms? Is that safe for Collies with the specific gene mutation? Just realized I forgot Pawsforthought when I tagged people earlier, thanks for reminder Bextull
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Post by bextull on Nov 11, 2016 19:30:55 GMT
bextull , what about Panacur (or Granofen as that is same chemical - Fenbendazole) which will cover certain Lungworm as well as you basic group of worms? Is that safe for Collies with the specific gene mutation? Just realized I forgot Pawsforthought when I tagged people earlier, thanks for reminder Bextull Yes, it's safe for use in collies and any other dogs carrying the mutation. Fenbendazole is a very safe wormer however it only kills one type of tapeworm. It also should be noted that Panacur Plus is not recommended for herding breeds as they have a higher risk of reaction. |
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Post by gypsy on Nov 11, 2016 22:41:53 GMT
Just to add to the good advice already given.
Panacur (oral Fenbendazole) doesn't prevent lungworm but can be used to treat it, extended treatment dose of 7 days, when a positive diagnosis has been made.
Drontal is a good choice and non prescription.
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Post by CollieSlave on Nov 11, 2016 22:49:30 GMT
Have used Drontal for years - with three BCs.
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Post by CollieSlave on Nov 12, 2016 12:21:05 GMT
... having said that, we have found that Bryn doesn't like the taste of the bone shaped tablets. He is, by nature, a walking dustbin who will normally eat ANYTHING edible (and not so edible: when we first had him he chewed up and partly swallowed a housebrick!). I wonder if the worm pill flavour has changed - we never had problems in the past with Bryn or earlier dogs. He carefully avoided the bone shaped ones when they were in with his food (never used to be a problem) and spat them out when they were plastered with butter or jam (having cleaned the jam or butter off them!). Now we give them completely covered in Dairylea triangular cheeses and he swallows them OK - he has an unpolluted dollop first, then a dollop with the pill hidden within it.
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Post by scallywag on Nov 12, 2016 12:25:56 GMT
They must have changed flavour because Beau is exactly the same, he used to devour them in his food, now he skirts around them, I just break them in half now and drop into his mouth ( head tilted backwards ) massage his throat and he swallows ( if he doesn't then I gently blow up his nose ) Whilst this is all happening, he is aware that his bowl of food is sitting there under his nose just waiting for him  |
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Post by sodapop on Nov 12, 2016 15:55:45 GMT
We use Advocate and Drontal, with no side effects.
I always worry about using the drops on their neck, but I also worry about lungworm as Poppy will eat grass and leaves sometimes in the garden!
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Post by Pawsforthought on Nov 17, 2016 14:29:51 GMT
Not much I can add to the comments except to say that you can test for the presence of the MDR1 gene mutation, if you wish to know whether you're safe to use whatever drugs you want. The mutation also means certain diarrhoea drugs (loperamide, for example,) and some anaesthetic drugs are not safe to use. It's something I would definitely have tested if I owned a collie or collie cross (only one copy of the gene is required to produce some level of reaction to drugs.) Additional information: www.animalgenetics.eu/Canine/Canine-disease/canine-MDR1-multi-drug-resistance.html |
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