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Post by AnnaAmber on Apr 27, 2013 19:45:22 GMT
I have a question for you all! How often do you think we should be worming/de-fleaing Amber & Holly? Lets start with worming....we use Milbemax. They seem to say for our dogs, they need to be wormed monthly. However, they want to sell their product so I am not sure how much I trust that! I don't want to worm Ambs and Hols more often than necessary, but my parents are concerned for the people, because of worms passing in dogs poop. They go on about "putting people first cause I have a 4 yr old bro" blah, which annoys me Because I feel each month is a lot.What is your feelings....? They reguarly walk in fields (and eat some animal muck) and live a "farm/country" life. I was thinking about worming three monthly, then getting a "herbal" thing to give them in between to keep my parents happy? And for the fleas - we have always used Prac-tic (mainly because it's what the Vets sell!) And currently do it about 6 weekly, although I often forget, so more like 2 monthly..... Personally I hate putting flea treatment on them.... I know a dog who died from eating it. However, my parents do not want them to catch fleas and don't trust the herbal stuff, so I think I'm going to have to keep doing it. How often can I get away with? ! Plus, are we using the best products or not? Again, it's cause it's what the vets give us, but they would for thats what they sell! Thanks in advance guys
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Post by orpheous87 on Apr 27, 2013 19:59:13 GMT
We used to worm each month, but I changed the wormer we use to Panacur and their dosage information sheet (see here: www.noahcompendium.co.uk/MSD_Animal_Health/documents/S3635.html) recommends worming 2-4 times per year or more often at 6-8 week intervals if the dogs are in kennels. I can't say whether Milbemax is better than Panacur (or vice versa) but Panacur covers roundworm, tapeworm and is also used to treat dogs with lungworm - I'm not sure if this means that it prevents lungworm though? Someone else might know that. I used to use Frontline for flea treatment, but have changed to use a herbal flea treatment (Billy No Mates). They get fed it daily all year round and so far so good. It doesn't get rid of any fleas they already have, but it does prevent them picking any more up. It also prevents ticks. A few people on here use it I think - Collie Slave is one of them I believe. When I was using Frontline, I think they were supposed to be done every three months, but I tended to forget.
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Post by caz2golden on Apr 27, 2013 20:31:48 GMT
Milbimax covers roundworms, hookworms, whipworms and tapeworms, reduction of infection of lungworms and the prevention of heartworm disease in dogs. Its what my vet sells and so I have used it in the past and plan to use again this year.
Doing it monthly with this wormer is news on me!! Cant see any note about how often on the product sheet I had with last batch of the wormer. However it does say if its being used for treatment of lungworm infection then it does say to be done under vet instruction and it is weekly for 4 weeks.
(plan is to alternate between Milbimax and Panacur in this household - I worm every three months)
From what I have been reading I think Panacur is one of the best on the market for Lungworm (contains Fenbendazole which is thought to treat more than one form of lungworm) , Milbimax is probably a better all rounder as it covers more worm types (from what orpheous has posted on what it covers)!!
If your dogs scavenge then you probably should worm more regularly than the normal 3 months. This would be discussion with your vet practice I guess.
If you are wanting to cover fleas as well as worms and your folks insist on worming monthly then Advocate is probably a better bet though remember to occasionally cover the worm it misses. Depends if you need ticks as advocate don't cover them! Get your vets advice about the product as for some its not suitable.
I am actually not keen on the spot on treatments as I don't like the idea of chemicals lingering in my pets system!!
I am trying herbal to cover fleas and ticks this year (CSJ BNM).
I have never heard of the flea treatment you use, sorry!!
There is a herbal option on the worms, though I have never tried it called Verm-X
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Post by bextull on Apr 27, 2013 21:09:18 GMT
I dont do either. Oscar has never had worms or fleas.
I would only worm if he shows signs of having them. I do not flea treat unless he has them either because i do not want to put unnecessary chemicals on his skin. Some spot ons come with warnings about them melting plastics, so I'd rather not apply them regularly.
I do give fresh garlic a few times a week though and this helps prevent fleas along with its other benefits.
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Post by AnnaAmber on Apr 27, 2013 21:09:30 GMT
Thanks for replying. My idea would prob be to do Advocate (thats monthly I think) with normal wormer twice a year, and for ticks, I suppose normal flea treatment, maybe twice a year too (to prevent ticks, although not sure how often you'd need to do this) Or otherwise to stick on what we're on currently, but reduce to three monthly worming, using a herbal product (most likely Verm X) to try and prevent issues. Yes, they eat goat poop, every now & then, but the goats are wormed. It's rare for them to eat cow muck. Horse muck if they are out at the stables, but thats not that often. The main thing is fox poop at our grandparents house. (Am I right that this is chock-a-block with worms??) Amber, to be fair, will stop if you say "leave it" but it's tricky to watch her the whole time! And for fleas the Billy No Mates....... The reason we heard Milbemax every month, is because "younger children come into contact with the dog" (we found this out on a Milbemax leaflet @ the vets) Need to talk to my parents about it though!
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Post by AnnaAmber on Apr 27, 2013 21:11:06 GMT
I'll look into garlic for her too.
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Post by puppypal on Apr 27, 2013 21:15:43 GMT
i flea and worm every three months, i used frontline but now using fiprospot, we used to use plerion for worming but dosage was high for barley and the tablets stunk so barley would not eat them even if they were 'disguised' in food, we now use Vet uks own brand.
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Post by orpheous87 on Apr 27, 2013 21:23:12 GMT
The Billy No Mates should cover tick prevention as well as flea prevention, just so you know I imagine garlic would also cover the same. I forgot to say in my previous comment that I give both my girls Verm-X daily too. I just use a conventional wormer a few times a year as I'm not 100% clear on what exactly Verm-X covers. I mainly use it because both of my two eat poop on walks and I figure that the Verm-X will offer a little bit more protection in between wormers.
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Post by caz2golden on Apr 27, 2013 22:13:41 GMT
I think Bextull has right idea, treat when you have an issue By using the herbal flea/tick then actually I am covering girls better than when I use chemical spot ons as I tried not to use them unless I knew I was going into area with ticks. I am with Bextull on the spot ons, you have to think how many chemicals you are using and how much will be in your dogs system. If you do go with Advocate I think you will need to question with vet practice how to cover the ticks. You cant use a normal flea/tick alongside (think that would = overdose). I think probably you are covering things perfectly well just perhaps work on your folks to try and reduce the worming to 3 months! I grew up in an age when the family mutt was lucky if she was wormed 1 a year, I never came to any harm!!
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Post by caz2golden on Apr 28, 2013 6:17:59 GMT
You are lucky PP!! I cant use the prowormer by vet uk, it has bad repercussions with both my girls! It covers Ascarids, Hookworms, Whipworms and Tapeworms. Ascarids = roundworm I think !!! I used to use Drontal up till recently but that only cover roundworm and tapeworm.
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Post by BorderTerrier on Apr 28, 2013 9:15:32 GMT
I use frontline (Combo) fleaer for Earl, and we de-flea every 8 weeks.
I use Milbemax wormer for Earl, and we de-worm every 3 months.
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Post by gladys on Apr 28, 2013 19:42:46 GMT
AnnaAmber If you don't mind me jumping on this topic and asking a question which is related?? caz2golden & orpheous87 as you use Panacur can you stop my confusion and ditsy brain please?? What dose of granules would I give to Cooper who is 8kgs? The instructions on websites confuse me?? This is from the website:- 1.8 g sachet treats 4kg bodyweight as a single dose 4.5g sachet treats 10kg bodyweight as a single dose And to answer your question AnnaAmber I think I will continue with Stronghold spot on flea treatment, which worms as well. And then twice a year treat with Panacur as it mentions lungworm so hoping that means it will protect from it??
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Post by caz2golden on Apr 28, 2013 19:50:10 GMT
AnnaAmber If you don't mind me jumping on this topic and asking a question which is related?? caz2golden & orpheous87 as you use Panacur can you stop my confusion and ditsy brain please?? What dose of granules would I give to Cooper who is 8kgs? The instructions on websites confuse me?? This is from the website:- 1.8 g sachet treats 4kg bodyweight as a single dose 4.5g sachet treats 10kg bodyweight as a single dose And to answer your question AnnaAmber I think I will continue with Stronghold spot on flea treatment, which worms as well. And then twice a year treat with Panacur as it mentions lungworm so hoping that means it will protect from it?? Sorry cant help, I am going to use panacur, I have not used it yet! Orpheous is the one with the answers, she has helped me.
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Post by orpheous87 on Apr 28, 2013 20:08:31 GMT
Haha! gladys I would give Cooper two 1.8g sachets as that would give him the correct dose for 8kg. The preferred dosage seems to suggest you go up rather than down (i.e. give the dosage for a 10kg to a dog who weighs 9kg), but if Cooper is only 8kg, you can give the exact dosage. It took me a couple of read throughs to be sure what dosage I was going to give to my girls.
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Post by gladys on Apr 28, 2013 20:28:59 GMT
Sorry cant help, I am going to use panacur, I have not used it yet! Orpheous is the one with the answers, she has helped me. No problems Caz, but thanks for your help with all the other worming stuff. Haha! gladys I would give Cooper two 1.8g sachets as that would give him the correct dose for 8kg. The preferred dosage seems to suggest you go up rather than down (i.e. give the dosage for a 10kg to a dog who weighs 9kg), but if Cooper is only 8kg, you can give the exact dosage. It took me a couple of read throughs to be sure what dosage I was going to give to my girls. Thank you. That makes sense now you said that. Did your girls notice it in their food? Could I give one sachet at breakfast and one at Tea??
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