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Post by scallywag on Jan 5, 2015 19:47:20 GMT
Oh dear I know how that feels, Beau was allowed up on the bed, then O.H ( in a bad mood one night ) said that's it hes not sleeping on the bed. I knew he would do exactly as yours is. I over come this by 1) bringing his bed up on the landing outside our door. He was given a treat every time we put him to bed ( after he had had bed cuddles with us ) He grew to know that the sound of the treat being got off the bedside table that it meant he could have it if he went to his own bed, which he did !! He was close to us just the other side of the door and he was happy I then went to visit my sister for 2 weeks in the USA ( a year after all this was in place and working well ) HE... the O.H then allowed Beau back into the bedroom whilst I was away, well you can't mess around with their routine, and he is now back with us on the bed. I was so cross so... long and short of this is, decide what you both want and stick with it Hope this gives you a good insight and good luck xxx
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Post by caz2golden on Jan 5, 2015 20:00:31 GMT
If you have a cage, at night can you put cage in the bedroom with you so that he is with you but prevented from having 'accidents' around the room? I used cage in bedroom for both of my dogs when they were young. If you are wanting him out of the bedroom long term you can then slowly move cage to landing / hall and then into the desired room of choice (i.e kitchen).
Does he normally have access to kitchen when you leave him for work? Being a small dog maybe having cage with a large play pen attached will provide him with enough space to be left in but not able to cause damage to the house?
Maybe cos of the change in night routine it has unsettled him a little and maybe that has contributed to him being uncomfortable when left? Also being home for two weeks and then suddenly left for hours on end might have been a little shock to system (maybe he has got used to you being home all the time)
Could something have upset him while you were out at work so causing the destruction?
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Post by sophie on Jan 5, 2015 20:21:01 GMT
Thank you scallywag and caz2golden. It certainly does give a good insight. We certainly want to choose something and stick it, I feel I may have confused him a little already. We could put the cage upstairs but the thing is we have stopped him from going upstairs since last week and that has worked quite successfully - so would we be taking a step back by then allowing him back up? Yes he normally has access to the kitchen, I personally think it's the change in his night routine, us putting our foot down more and me going back to work .
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Post by sophie on Jan 5, 2015 20:23:04 GMT
I just don't know what to do for the best - keep trying with the downstairs night routine - will he stop crying eventually? Or try something else?
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Post by scallywag on Jan 5, 2015 20:34:07 GMT
Thank you scallywag and caz2golden. It certainly does give a good insight. We certainly want to choose something and stick it, I feel I may have confused him a little already. We could put the cage upstairs but the thing is we have stopped him from going upstairs since last week and that has worked quite successfully - so would we be taking a step back by then allowing him back up? Yes he normally has access to the kitchen, I personally think it's the change in his night routine, us putting our foot down more and me going back to work . Oooo difficult one then, see what you mean, why were you stopping him from going upstairs because you don't want him to sleep with you ? I was a right softy and I couldn't bare the crying and howling hence that's why we allowed him to be close to us outside the bedroom door, but we all have different ideas as to what's right and what's wrong, its got to be what works for you at the end of the day. And obviously for pup too xx
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Post by sophie on Jan 5, 2015 20:37:01 GMT
We have stopped him from coming upstairs because he' has been urinating her there and everywhere on his travels!
I am soft - I baby him so much it's destroying me so much hearing him cry plus we are not getting any sleep what so ever.
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Post by sophie on Jan 5, 2015 20:41:45 GMT
Part of me thinks that's why he's misbehaving urinating everywhere and all the rest - we haven't given him many boundaries before now x
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Post by scallywag on Jan 5, 2015 21:13:07 GMT
Maybe go right back to basics, take him outside every couple of hours and use a command for him to go to the toilet. Beau is 7 now and even now when I take him out I tell him go wee wee's ( everytime we go out ) he knows what it means, just to confuse you more after he has done his wee, I tell him again to go wee wees and he does his number 2's then ( this is early evening that I insist he stays out and performs LOL )
Wish I could advise more but I am no expert. Someone else may be able to advise better. I just said what worked for us, but as I said we allow Beau the free run of the house, then again never had the problem of urinating in the house either. Good Luck with what you decide
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Post by zahada on Jan 5, 2015 21:20:39 GMT
Part of me thinks that's why he's misbehaving urinating everywhere and all the rest - we haven't given him many boundaries before now x You haven't taught him that the only place to pee and poo is outside. Whilst he's learning you need to restrict his movements so you can keep an eye on him and as soon as he starts sniffing, you take him out. Either he needs to be in a crate, or his lead attached to you. When he has performed outside, then you can play with him, train him, allow him on the sofa next to you. Again, when you need to do other things, he goes in a crate or on a short lead, attached to you. I would do as caz2golden says re crate in your bedroom. If he makes a noise, I would put a lead on him and take him outside. No talking to him, no petting, no interaction so that he learns that nighttime is for resting or toileting. Not for playing or demanding attention. Once he learns that, you can start moving the crate closer to the bedroom door. Gradually. Then downstairs. Be firm. Otherwise you will create a monster who will rule your life, instead of a pleasant companion, willing to please you. He will try very hard to make you do things his way. You need to be more determined than he is. It won't be smooth sailing, things will appear to get worse before final success. But don't give up, you will all be happier in the end. Remember, you are not the only person in the world with a puppy in need of educating. Good luck..
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Post by orpheous87 on Jan 5, 2015 21:50:43 GMT
I agree with the advice given so far. And he will stop crying eventually, you just need to stay firm and stick to your plan. When we brought Cody home, he didn't cry much at all the first night so we thought we'd struck lucky but he did the next night. No-one went down to him, as we didn't want him thinking that all he has to do is cry to get someone to go downstairs, and after a few nights he settled and went with no more crying. Now he knows as soon as someone says 'bedtime', he jumps up and runs to his crate willingly. All our dogs get a bedtime treat, so I would definitely recommend that as a way to settle him. You can get some special bedtime biscuits that have calming ingredients in to help settle them so you can always make a big deal of this at first. We used to use Lily's Kitchen biscuits but then moved onto the Barking Heads Bailey's Bites and the dogs all like them.
Good luck!
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Post by sophie on Jan 6, 2015 5:37:08 GMT
Thank you everybody - I didn't think if ever find so much support as I have done here. And last night was actually a successful one! Extended exersize, playtime and a wee before bed. I his crate with kong, 2 small treats and favorite toy... Not a peep all night! Not going to be too cocky though haha but it certainly feel like progress!! This really is a great place for helpful and consistent advice! We will get the with Alvin eventually! X
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Post by scallywag on Jan 6, 2015 7:45:16 GMT
Thats encouraging news, did you use the word whilst he was doing his business ? If you do before during and after he will get to know it and more likely to wee on comand, I know Beau does. Keep us up dated, nice name by the way, Good boy Alvin
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Post by alfiemummy on Jan 6, 2015 10:23:28 GMT
Teaching them a word to go to the loo can really come in handy even when they are older too If I tell Alfie to 'go wee wees' he knows what to do - very helpful (even now!) to make sure he goes before bed. Also very handy when we are visiting other people's houses as he is often unsure on where he is allowed to go. And when you are travelling too - so you can make sure they go before getting in the car etc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2015 10:30:01 GMT
That's the joy of dogs (((HUGS))) Just when we crack one thing the little tinkers come up with something else to give is grey hairs I was going to mention using a crate and going right back to puppy basics as if he was an 8-week-old-baby and taking him out every hour to empty then lots of praise when he does. I always use a phrase like ''Be Clean'' as well (not ''hurry up'' as that can be used in general conversation with disastrous results ). I've always allowed my dogs up on the sofa next to me cos I love a cuddle when watching tv and usually have them on the bed too Perhaps move his crate into your bedroom but still have him sleep in it as that way he'll probably settle as he is back with his family rather than 'banished' on his own downstairs in the kitchen My friend Rose has 8 or 9 jack russells and they all sleep no problem in their crates. If one is working themselves she tells them to ''Lie down and GO TO SLEEP!'' and they do As Cazypops says terriers ARE a very intelligent breed and at his age I'm sure he'll soon catch on to what you want. It also sounds like he's reaching puberty and scent marking in the house (tends to be a boy thing with some dogs) but as I've always had girls I'm not sure how to sort this one out....other than a sharp ''No'' or ''A-AH!'' if you catch him about to do it Simple Solutions is a lifesaver in my house as, over the years, our poor carpets have had to cope with dog & cat pee, bitches in season, old cats with runny bums and a clumsy hubby dropping red wine on a cream carpet It's removed every single stain and smell and now I always keep a bottle under the sink. Keep persevering though....he's still a baby really and one day you'll wake up and find he has become THE perfect wee man you just couldn't live without
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Post by orpheous87 on Jan 6, 2015 20:30:29 GMT
Thats encouraging news, did you use the word whilst he was doing his business ? If you do before during and after he will get to know it and more likely to wee on comand, I know Beau does. Keep us up dated, nice name by the way, Good boy Alvin Teaching them a word to go to the loo can really come in handy even when they are older too If I tell Alfie to 'go wee wees' he knows what to do - very helpful (even now!) to make sure he goes before bed. Also very handy when we are visiting other people's houses as he is often unsure on where he is allowed to go. And when you are travelling too - so you can make sure they go before getting in the car etc I agree with both scallywag and alfiemummy about teaching a word to go. It's very handy if you don't have a lot of time or are just out for a quick walk. My old dog knew that 'get done' and 'do it there' meant 'have a wee/poo'. The 'get done' was taught from the word go and she caught on quickly and we used it for her whole life. The 'do it there' came about later in life when she took to wandering around before squatting fully lol. She caught on with that one too and as soon as we said it, she'd do whatever it was that she needed to do. Pepper and Ellie haven't had a cue word put on them to toilet and I'm really regretting that now as they don't always go to the toilet quickly if we need them to!
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