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Post by victoria3 on Feb 10, 2014 9:15:37 GMT
Hi, I have had my puppy Bentley for a few months now. Up until now he has been the most well behaved puppy I could imagine, he is obedient and always used his puppy pad in the house from the first few days. He is a small chi x jack and is now 6 months old. A few nights ago me and my partner done our usual routine of going to bed, with Bentley who has his bed at the foot of ours and his puppy pad close. He will usually use the pad every time he needs to go, however I am now waking up to mess only on my side of the bed, I have shown him the mess and told him he was a bad boy, which usually works!. He goes straight to his bed and hangs his head the other direction like he knows he has been naughty, but this morning he done his number one on the floor by where I sleep and then his number two on the pad to which he ran around to my partners side of the bed and whined for a treat (my partner will religiously give a treat if he's 'been a good boy on the pad') I don't know what to do!. I don't know what has changed this behaviour or why this is happening, can anyone help?. I am firm but fair with Bentley, he will only pretty much take instruction from me, I would NEVER hurt him but it seems it is always my duty to do the telling off and the bad bits. My partner is a nightmare with him, he gets away with anything when he is around and I can't even kiss my partner and cuddle him without Bentley jumping up in between us and licking my partner to death... I'm worried the spoilt affections he is showing and lack of discipline on my partners behalf is doing this, I hope I'm wrong but I cannot think why a puppy so well behaved and good could go back steps. Any help or advice will be greatly recieved Thanks for taking your time to read  |
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Post by scallywag on Feb 10, 2014 9:28:40 GMT
Hi victoria3 welcome to the forum. Someone will be along to advise you no doubt won't you gladys  who's a new mum to a pup. amongst others on here who have experience The jumping up between you and your OH isn't good thou, sounds that he is already trying to be Top Dog in your household. As for the telling off, this needs to be done at the time of the accident, not much later, he wont know why he is being told off ( that's what I was always told ) Like I say someone will be along, ( I'm not a confident adviser worried I will say the wrong stuff  ) but sounds as thou you also need to remove the smell where he keeps weeing too  |
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Post by CollieSlave on Feb 10, 2014 10:51:06 GMT
Hi, I have had my puppy Bentley for a few months now. Up until now he has been the most well behaved puppy I could imagine, he is obedient and always used his puppy pad in the house from the first few days. He is a small chi x jack and is now 6 months old. A few nights ago me and my partner done our usual routine of going to bed, with Bentley who has his bed at the foot of ours and his puppy pad close. He will usually use the pad every time he needs to go, however I am now waking up to mess only on my side of the bed, I have shown him the mess and told him he was a bad boy, which usually works!. He goes straight to his bed and hangs his head the other direction like he knows he has been naughty, but this morning he done his number one on the floor by where I sleep and then his number two on the pad to which he ran around to my partners side of the bed and whined for a treat (my partner will religiously give a treat if he's 'been a good boy on the pad') I don't know what to do!. I don't know what has changed this behaviour or why this is happening, can anyone help?. I am firm but fair with Bentley, he will only pretty much take instruction from me, I would NEVER hurt him but it seems it is always my duty to do the telling off and the bad bits. My partner is a nightmare with him, he gets away with anything when he is around and I can't even kiss my partner and cuddle him without Bentley jumping up in between us and licking my partner to death... I'm worried the spoilt affections he is showing and lack of discipline on my partners behalf is doing this, I hope I'm wrong but I cannot think why a puppy so well behaved and good could go back steps. Any help or advice will be greatly recieved Thanks for taking your time to read As scallywag has said, any telling off MUST be within a few seconds of the unacceptable deed or the dog will not understand why he is being told off! Showing him the mess some time after he has done it will not mean anything to him. He goes straight to his bed and hangs his head because he cannot understand why you are telling him off! He does NOT know he has been naughty - he is upset and confused. And treating for the correct behaviour (e.g. using the pad) is the right and proper thing to do! I have not had a pup for many years - we go in for adult rescue dogs, but there are plenty on here who can, and no doubt will, offer you guidance (perhaps gladys as scallywag suggests!!!!). |
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Post by gladys on Feb 10, 2014 13:00:24 GMT
Hellooooooo, someone tag??  victoria3 The advice about not telling the pup off a while after they have messed in the wrong place is correct, pup will not know why you are cross and will just be showing signs of confusion and worry at your behaviour. When Skala has gone in the wrong place and I catch her I say a firm NO and then take her outside and while saying the go toilet key word (ours is "go busy") So I say "Go busy outside" and go over the top with praise if she goes. If I don't catch her in the act I just clean it up after I've taken her outside. Your pups still to young to make it through the whole night without going to the toilet, so unless you want to put pads and paper down in the whole of you bedroom, could you put puppy in a pen/crate each night? Then it would be in a controlled area and go on paper. As for the jumping up between you both, If you don't stop it now it will only get worse and you could end up with a dog that will get funny with you if you try to touch, cuddle, sit close on the sofa. In the early weeks of bringing our pup home she would bark at the cats if they came up on my lap while she was there, I would say a firm NO and put her down on the floor. I did this EVER time and I also made her sit before she came back on my lap. She now doesn't bark anymore and is happy to share my lap with either cats or my other dog. I just need a bigger lap.  I hope that helps a little. |
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Post by caz2golden on Feb 10, 2014 13:26:23 GMT
I agree with what the others have put so will not repeat this.
Thought I would add that the going to bed and looking sad = him trying to appease and diffuse your telling off. He is not feeling sorry or guilty for the accident.
Also the belated telling off could potentially be making him nervous causing him to accident more.
Have you adequately cleaned area after he has had accident as dogs smell is amazing so you need to use a product that breaks down the urine not just smells nice to you. Dogs will return to the smell where they have gone before. That may be why he is doing it on your side of the bed only.
The other thing is if his toileting was so good and now he is having accidents have you ruled out urine infection etc as this can set a pup back?
From my understanding pups can not hold their functions till about 6 months so you can expect occasional accidents to this sort of age.
I personally would be aiming to get any pup to go outside for the loo from day one and not encouraging pad use.
Afterall what are you actually teaching with using pads in the house?
What is your long term aim to always use pads for him in house or to go outside to toilet?
Nights and if you are leaving for longer period than pup cant hold you do need to leave something down till they are house trained.
Also the puppy pads have chemicals added to them to encourage use. Mine shredded them into snow so never using them again!!
My dogs had pads / newspaper (and one had bath mats as she would choose to pee in her bed so the bath mats were her bed for a short while after I got her) when I first had them. Within weeks the pads / newspaper (bath mats!!) were only used at night and if I was leaving for longer than they could hold it. I then judged the weaning off by the pup concerned, my first dog was clean within weeks and actually knew to aim for back door from day one however my younger one took a few months. However way before 6 months both were fully dry in the house.
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Post by migsy on Feb 10, 2014 14:12:59 GMT
I have never had a pup sleep in the bedroom so can't advise on that.Mine have always slept in the kitchen with the door closed.A newspaper was placed near the back door,so not far for pup to go to use it.As caz stated,the pups didn't take long to house train at all.During the day,the pup would be taken outside at regular intervals,and given a command of your choice to toilet,especially after just waking.Never scold the pup for making a mistake,and never ever smack,hands are only ever used for training a dog(hand signals).We found our pups soon made for the back door when they needed to toilet,it was just a matter of following them to let them out,don't forget to praise when pup gets it right. Be patient,the pups always get there eventually,some are a little bit quicker than others that' all.
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Post by sodapop on Feb 10, 2014 15:24:35 GMT
I agree with Caz2golden, I wouldn't use pads. I had a puppy pen in the kitchen where the pup would stay at night and I would place some newspaper in one corner. Once she had a few dry nights I would then remove the newspaper, then after a week or so she went into a crate.
I personally wouldn't have such a young dog in the bedroom, but if you want to keep him in there with you then I would try putting him in a crate and if you hear moving about or if he cries then take him outside.
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Post by katherine on Feb 11, 2014 17:54:24 GMT
I'm new to having a dog but getting a crate was the best thing we did! Good Luck |
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Post by belladad on Feb 12, 2014 21:38:15 GMT
Hi victoria3, as many have said, you may want Bentley in the bedroom, why? I would defo use a crate, maybe near the back door, and puppy pads at the back door. You have to learn the 'rules' about when Bentley is likely to want to empty both tanks, when he does so outside, jump for joy, have a pup party, leap up and down so he knows that this is the bestest ever thing he has done Then he'll think it absolutely brilliant to do the doos where you want!!! The next thing is to train your OH to obey the rules; Calm and Consistent, emphasis on Consistent! Poor Bentley will get sooooo confused if you and your OH are not giving him the same message; one set of rules only. I can admit to doing the 'Bella Dad Dance' when she emptied her tanks outside, much to the amusement of my neighbour. Remember, CALM and CONSISTENT works. Best of luck and keep us posted. |
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Post by charlottte on Mar 2, 2014 23:35:31 GMT
I haven't seen it mentioned (although Caz mentioned something similar) so I'll post just in case.
Make sure the cleaner you're using doesn't contain ammonia as that can encourage the dog back to pee in the same spot again
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Post by smilesbetter on Mar 5, 2014 20:06:10 GMT
Welcome to the forum! My puppy Rosa is 11 weeks today but I've also studied dog care and behaviour my whole life so hopefully I can give a bit of decent advice for you...
Rosa sleeps in a puppy pen in the living room with newspaper down in part of it for if she has an accident, but the most important thing is to get them outside as much as possible. Dogs like to keep their sleeping area clean (apparently, I mean Rosa will happily sleep in wee covered newspaper) so a pen can be good for litter training. She doesn't sleep in my room as I don't want her to become too used to always having me there and end up developing separation anxiety. I can understand people wanting to keep the dog in their room, and I'm sure with some people it's okay, but it is a huge part of the SA problem, but you can always build a pen or get a crate in your bedroom if you don't want her to sleep in another room.
Praise for using the pad is good, but much like the need to tell a dog off within seconds of it urinating in the wrong place, praise way later than the event won't register to the dog as being for going to the toilet in the right place, and your dog will probably just think that your OH just gives out treats every morning. You should warn your OH as this might come back in the future as a dog that will demand treats first thing in the morning, thus ruining any chance of a long lie. I should know, I own two cats and no matter how long I might try and leave it, every morning they will wake me up with demands for food. Also a lot of trainers recommend not paying the dog any attention when you first get up in the morning, as they can get excited and/or associate it with going to the loo, and may begin to have accidents before you can get them out. My dog back home had this problem when we first got her but now stays in bed until we call her over, and even then stays calm enough to get out to the toilet on time.
If she continually pees next to your side of the bed, if it's carpet put down some vinegar, scrub in and leave for a bit, then put down baking soda on the same spot (ONCE THE VINEGAR HAS DRIED) for at least an hour and Hoover up. The vinegar only masks the scent but cleans quite well and baking soda is great for getting rid of the scent. Also you might want to consider putting newspaper down there for a while if she continues to go to the toilet there. As the others say though, better to get her into a routine for going out than training on puppy pads, but then maybe you're like me and only use floor protection for accidents, I don't know from your post.
These might sound mean, but in the long run you'll have a lot less problems thanks to it.
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Post by BorderTerrier on Mar 16, 2014 11:14:12 GMT
Hi, I have had my puppy Bentley for a few months now. Up until now he has been the most well behaved puppy I could imagine, he is obedient and always used his puppy pad in the house from the first few days. He is a small chi x jack and is now 6 months old. A few nights ago me and my partner done our usual routine of going to bed, with Bentley who has his bed at the foot of ours and his puppy pad close. He will usually use the pad every time he needs to go, however I am now waking up to mess only on my side of the bed, I have shown him the mess and told him he was a bad boy, which usually works!. He goes straight to his bed and hangs his head the other direction like he knows he has been naughty, but this morning he done his number one on the floor by where I sleep and then his number two on the pad to which he ran around to my partners side of the bed and whined for a treat (my partner will religiously give a treat if he's 'been a good boy on the pad')I don't know what to do!. I don't know what has changed this behaviour or why this is happening, can anyone help?. I am firm but fair with Bentley, he will only pretty much take instruction from me, I would NEVER hurt him but it seems it is always my duty to do the telling off and the bad bits. My partner is a nightmare with him, he gets away with anything when he is around and I can't even kiss my partner and cuddle him without Bentley jumping up in between us and licking my partner to death... I'm worried the spoilt affections he is showing and lack of discipline on my partners behalf is doing this, I hope I'm wrong but I cannot think why a puppy so well behaved and good could go back steps. Any help or advice will be greatly recieved Thanks for taking your time to read
While toilet training a puppy, you should NOT shout or scold the dog for messing indoors, but instead catch him in the act and rush him outside for him to finish up outdoors. Praise THIS behaviour. If you don't catch Bentley messing within the first few seconds as has already been mentioned, there is no point in scolding at all. In fact, this will do more harm than good. Your pup will end up hiding in unseen places to do his business indoors if you frighten him by scolding him. Pads worked with my dog as a puppy, however now I have gained more knowledge on dogs as a first time dog owner, I have learnt that these can bring unwanted results. In some cases, puppies will learn that they must pee on the pad, instead of outdoors. Yes, your dog may be learning not to pee on carpets etc, however you are just lengthening the toilet training process by doing this. Instead of your puppy just learning to go from indoors to outdoors, he will learn to go from carpets, to pads, then to outdoors. Another 'side effect' of pads are that the puppy may enter your friend's or relative's houses for example, and their carpets have a similar texture to the pads! Plus, when visiting people with your puppy, it is could be dangerous if you do not supply pads there too! Bringing very embarrassing occurrences and very angry house owners, plus your puppy begin banned from visiting again.It would be very beneficial to get your partner being as firm and showing just as much leadership with Bentley as you are doing. He may then give you two space and not interfere with your relationship as much! Let your partner have some 1 2 1 time with pup to build a respectable bond. Bentley may respect HIM more if your partner has more command over him. |
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who's a new mum to a pup. amongst others on here who have experience
) but sounds as thou you also need to remove the smell where he keeps weeing too 
