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Post by dewey64 on Jun 11, 2013 12:00:00 GMT
Hi there
I have recently acquired my second puppy, my first dog is 19 months now and our new pup is 17 weeks this Thursday. They are both staffy mixes, the new addition, is really cute but it annoys me so much that strangers think its ok to come and pet him without asking first. So many times people come up and don't even acknowledge me, when I'm trying to get him to heel and pay attention to me. And just talk to him and let him jump up. I walk away seething with anger, at him for acknowledging them and at them for being so bloody rude. You wouldn't do this to a guide dog puppy.
I know bully breeds are friendly for all you other bully lovers out there, and I don't mind him being friendly but this morning I got back from a stressful walk with just the pup, stressful because today he didn't want to heel. I live on a marina both are boat dogs and the public have right of way around the marina.
I left him on the dog tether outside the loos and when I came out a young girl was sat on the step, had him on her lap making baby noises and him squirming wildly. When I came out he squirmed round to see me and fell off her lap onto the floor. This really made me mad and all I could say was "thanks for dropping my dog" and left quickly before I went off my rocker and seemed a complete b**ch.
why do people think they the right to do this. I makes me so bloody mad. Am I the only one. Yes we go to puppy training and he get loads of socialisation with people so he is going to be friendly, but I just need some support from you other dog lovers that I am not the only one that get mad like this.
I never approach other people with puppies and if I do, say to ask what breed it is, I completely ignore the puppy and just talk to the owner and then ask if can say hello.
Responces please. Am I a mega bi*ch.
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Post by bextull on Jun 11, 2013 12:50:43 GMT
Hi there I have recently acquired my second puppy, my first dog is 19 months now and our new pup is 17 weeks this Thursday. They are both staffy mixes, the new addition, is really cute but it annoys me so much that strangers think its ok to come and pet him without asking first. I agree. I don't get it often as I live in the countryside but it has happened to me beforeSo many times people come up and don't even acknowledge me, when I'm trying to get him to heel and pay attention to me. And just talk to him and let him jump up. I walk away seething with anger, at him for acknowledging them and at them for being so bloody rude. You wouldn't do this to a guide dog puppy. What do you expect from a 17 week old puppy? For him to just ignore these new people who are dying to give him some affection? I think that is is very unfair and unrealistic to expect any dog, let alone a puppy, to no acknowledge a new person. Granted, if you have trained your dog to a high standard and ask the dog to focus on you and not the people then it is fine, but at this point a puppy just doesn't have the self control - or the training - to do such a thing.
People are rude, that is a fact of life. If I were you as soon as the go to touch him I would say please do not do that. If they ignore me I would call my dog away immediately.
I know bully breeds are friendly for all you other bully lovers out there, and I don't mind him being friendly but this morning I got back from a stressful walk with just the pup, stressful because today he didn't want to heel. I live on a marina both are boat dogs and the public have right of way around the marina. He is a puppy! You cannot expect him to heel all the time! It is in a puppies nature to explore! When you say heel, do you mean actual heeling or loose leash walking? If you do not mean the latter then I would suggest you look into that instead as it is more practical than heeling. I left him on the dog tether outside the loos and when I came out a young girl was sat on the step, had him on her lap making baby noises and him squirming wildly. When I came out he squirmed round to see me and fell off her lap onto the floor. This really made me mad and all I could say was "thanks for dropping my dog" and left quickly before I went off my rocker and seemed a complete b**ch. That was your own fault. You left your puppy tied up outside. What did you expect? People, especially children, to just walk past your little cute puppy? why do people think they the right to do this. I makes me so bloody mad. Am I the only one. Yes we go to puppy training and he get loads of socialisation with people so he is going to be friendly, but I just need some support from you other dog lovers that I am not the only one that get mad like this. I think it is great you are taking him to classes and all but I think that you expect a little bit too much from your little guy right now. He is a puppy, so do remember that. Puppies has short attention spans, love attention, love to pee where they shouldn't (lol) and chew your favourite runners! I never approach other people with puppies and if I do, say to ask what breed it is, I completely ignore the puppy and just talk to the owner and then ask if can say hello. That is responsible of you, but I am afraid not everybody is like that.
Responces please. Am I a mega bi*ch. Hello, and welcome. I'd just like to say that you will probably get more responses in the general dog chat section. There are a few people (myself included) that don't usually look in this section. You can obviously see my thoughts above.  |
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Post by dewey64 on Jun 11, 2013 13:13:50 GMT
Thanks for the reply
Firstly just because he is a bully breed doesn't mean he will pull, of course it is possible and practical to have your dog to heel. As in walk next to me rather than sniffing the floor and wondering around all over the place.. My first pup, now 19 months walks beautifully on the lead with just a plain flat collar and lead. She excelled in her puppy classes and was top of the class from day one. I know how to train my dogs and I know how much to expect from them. Obviously I don't expect the new chap to ignore people, he's just a baby but I expect people to acknowledge me and not just him and when they can see that I'm walking along coaxing him back to me with treats and calling him for them not to be making eye contact and squeaky noises. It's just plain rude.
I'm glad I'm not the only person that has this and that you would also say something to people. After all I suppose I won't ever see them again. The girl would have been in her early 20's I myself am only 27 but as a dog lover and someone who has experience of dogs, and a great passion for obedience training and dog psychology. People should just know better. If we had more knowledge of dogs in this country and how to approach them like in countries that have issues with strays then there would probably not be as many dog attacks. People just don't know and there is not enough guidance given to teach them. I'll put this post the general bit, and remove the but about me being mad at him as it is obviously taken in the wrong context, frustrated would have been a better word. At myself rather than him and we all get frustrated during puppy training. P.s. he only had about 6 accidents in our boat, was house broken at 10weeks and has not chewed anything, just like the that last one. Consistency and lots of toys stops all that, they don't have to wreck your environment, they just get taught respect for it from day one when you bring them home. Thanks again for your comment, much appreciated.
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jun 11, 2013 15:09:39 GMT
Hello and welcome to the forum dewey64. I agree that you shouldn't expect too much out of a little puppy like that. When it comes to 'heel', its you who has to be consistent in training him to do this. You need to train this puppy to avoid what you don't want. You DO seem like you expecting way to much out of your little puppy. You need to slow things up and continue training. Be persistent, and what you want, will come. |
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jun 11, 2013 15:30:50 GMT
Hi there I have recently acquired my second puppy, my first dog is 19 months now and our new pup is 17 weeks this Thursday. They are both staffy mixes, the new addition, is really cute but it annoys me so much that strangers think its ok to come and pet him without asking first. So many times people come up and don't even acknowledge me, when I'm trying to get him to heel and pay attention to me. And just talk to him and let him jump up. I walk away seething with anger, at him for acknowledging them and at them for being so bloody rude. You wouldn't do this to a guide dog puppy. In this country, it is a social norm to approach other peoples' dogs and stroke them. Yes, it can be annoying and set you back a bit, but I think it's something to acknowledge and work around, because it will ALWAYS be there. You can't expect people to read your mind, some dog owners LOVE people approaching their pet so it's not as if it's an obvious thing; that you shouldn't stroke peoples' dogs. For me, I was glad people approached my two when puppies. Australian Shepherds are naturally reserved with strangers, and one of them from puppyhood was scared of children. It was only through kind, interested strangers that I was able to work through the problem with him and bring him out of his shell. Thank God for people wanting to stroke my dogs! It's not as if I said to those people "don't stroke him" and they forced their way over to him and stroked him anyway. No. I do not agree that you have the right to be angry with people for wanting to look at and play with a cute puppy walking their way. If you don't want people stroking your dog, you have to tell them! You can buy leads that say "do not approach/stroke me." It is YOUR responsibility, not others'. I know bully breeds are friendly for all you other bully lovers out there, and I don't mind him being friendly but this morning I got back from a stressful walk with just the pup, stressful because today he didn't want to heel. I live on a marina both are boat dogs and the public have right of way around the marina. I left him on the dog tether outside the loos and when I came out a young girl was sat on the step, had him on her lap making baby noises and him squirming wildly. When I came out he squirmed round to see me and fell off her lap onto the floor. This really made me mad and all I could say was "thanks for dropping my dog" and left quickly before I went off my rocker and seemed a complete b**ch. why do people think they the right to do this. I makes me so bloody mad. Am I the only one. Yes we go to puppy training and he get loads of socialisation with people so he is going to be friendly, but I just need some support from you other dog lovers that I am not the only one that get mad like this. I mean, Jesus! All they wanted to do was stroke your dog..! It's actually a good thing for your dog that people are approaching it and giving it attention while it is tied up...could've been a lot worse (ie. someone could have stolen him!) And how do you know your puppy didn't climb onto the girl's lap? Did you get your facts straight before you were so rude to her? It's not like she intentionally dropped him.I never approach other people with puppies and if I do, say to ask what breed it is, I completely ignore the puppy and just talk to the owner and then ask if can say hello. Good for you. I know a lot of people make things worse by accidentally praising dogs for jumping up etc. but they mean well. Can't you be so angry about something a little more worthwhile rather than the kindness of strangers? If it were me, I'd be happy people were looking past the whole 'aggressive bull breed' thing, and not trying to start some vendetta against bull breed OWNERS!Responces please. Am I a mega bi*ch. Maybe not a bitch, but a bit overdramatic maybe! Seriously, people think they're being nice! If it's such a big deal to you, educate people (politely!) that some dog owners don't like strangers approaching their dogs. Welcome to the forum. |
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jun 11, 2013 15:34:18 GMT
you are not the only one, i get annoyed at people who stroke my dog without asking as he is quite nervous of people and will freak out if he gets spooked, people just seem to think that every dog is friendly and likes a pat on the head, but my dog does not, he hates strange people patting his head, he would rather a stroke on his chin of back. We have recently ordered a 'speaking' lead and harness. His harness has the words NERVOUS on it in bold black letters on a bright yellow harness, and his lead is blue with the words IN TRAINING on it in white. was not cheap to buy them but it will be worth it when they arrive as i don't want my dog being nasty to any other person or dog through there own irresponsibility although they should deserve it for being so irresponsible. As I said in my post above, Woody used to be nervous around children. I found, through this, that strangers are actually very happy to be of help when they can, and I would ask children who wanted to stroke him to hold out their hands for him to sniff, and then stroke his chest or chin. It is YOUR responsibility, not other peoples'. It is exactly this attitude; that other people are to blame for our dogs' misconduct, that has dog owners so looked down upon in the press/public eye. |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jun 11, 2013 15:54:18 GMT
I know what puppypal means. It would annoy me too if my Earl got spooked by people touching him just like that - no warning. I would expect younger children to throw their arms round a dog without permission than adults. Children should be brought up where they understand how to approach and treat dogs - that's why I am in such favour of this happening, because there are many ways it does. The YKC tries to warn children on how they should approach dogs and treat them so it is appropriate. A child could 'jump on' an aggressive dog with a fury backside but a snarling face when it flings around facing the child, then take a chunk out of that innocent being - its so important people ask the owner before making physical contact with a dog!! |
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Post by bextull on Jun 11, 2013 16:01:09 GMT
Thanks for the reply Firstly just because he is a bully breed doesn't mean he will pull, of course it is possible and practical to have your dog to heel. As in walk next to me rather than sniffing the floor and wondering around all over the place. I don't think I implied anywhere that bull breeds pull on leads. I know that heel is practical but I think personally that loose leash walking is more appropriate for most dogs because it teaches them not to pull, but that they do not have to be right by your side for the whole walk. Heel is more for competition in my eyes. I also consider walks to be the time when my dog can sniff around - that is what walks are for in my opinion, a time for exercise and exploring. But my dog does still respond and pay attention to me.
Not sure if that makes sense? 
My first pup, now 19 months walks beautifully on the lead with just a plain flat collar and lead. She excelled in her puppy classes and was top of the class from day one. All dogs are different.I know how to train my dogs and I know how much to expect from them. Obviously I don't expect the new chap to ignore people, he's just a baby but I expect people to acknowledge me and not just him and when they can see that I'm walking along coaxing him back to me with treats and calling him for them not to be making eye contact and squeaky noises. It's just plain rude. I'm glad I'm not the only person that has this and that you would also say something to people. After all I suppose I won't ever see them again. The girl would have been in her early 20's I myself am only 27 but as a dog lover and someone who has experience of dogs, and a great passion for obedience training and dog psychology. People should just know better. If we had more knowledge of dogs in this country and how to approach them like in countries that have issues with strays then there would probably not be as many dog attacks. I live in Ireland. We have a much bigger stay dog problem here than the UK (you have 10 times more dogs than us and yet we put more dogs that you to sleep each year). I will say that I do not hear of many dog attacks over here (and we have no banned breeds either) but that does not mean there are none. I also would not say that having more strays in this country makes people less likely to give my dog attention when I walk him. I just walked him in town today and a few people walked past and gave him a little pat or said hello. (thats not a problem with me)
People just don't know and there is not enough guidance given to teach them. That is true but that is also why we should help them learn to interact with our dogs better. I'll put this post the general bit, and remove the but about me being mad at him as it is obviously taken in the wrong context, frustrated would have been a better word. At myself rather than him and we all get frustrated during puppy training. P.s. he only had about 6 accidents in our boat, was house broken at 10weeks and has not chewed anything, just like the that last one. Consistency and lots of toys stops all that, they don't have to wreck your environment, they just get taught respect for it from day one when you bring them home. I was just making a generalisation and a little joke when I said they pee where they like and chew up your stuff. I know it can be prevented and managed, I just thought people may find it a little funny? Perhaps not. Thanks again for your comment, much appreciated. A little off topic, but I must say, I do love the blue writing!!!  dewey64, do you have any pictures to share? (optional of course, but, you know....) |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jun 11, 2013 16:03:30 GMT
bextull, I was expecting a knowledgable comment there lol
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Post by dewey64 on Jun 11, 2013 16:28:33 GMT
Hi guys, thanks for all the responses
I did look to put some pics on but I'm not sure how to.
Have just come back from another short walk and the heel work went well this time. For me my dogs walk to heel whilst on the lead, it's their time when they get let off. Sniff what you like do what you like, just don't roll in or eat poo of any creature., but when you come back on the lead, you walk to heel, sensibly, no pulling or stopping to sniff or pee, I tell you when to pee. My mum is not so sure on her feet and sometimes looks after my dogs so I need them to be reliable sensible walkers. Hence the heel work.
I didn't think it would be so controversial, it wouldn't have bothered me if this girl had just been petting him and saying hi, thats no problem, and when I see kids in the street I will gladly offer them to come and say hi, I always tell them to stroke them under their chin and never to stroke a dog on top of its head, I am a big believer in education. But, my partner and I have 5 nieces/nephews all under 8 and another one on the way, 2 of these had hardly any interaction with dog and a nervous mum around dogs so they are consequently nervous of my two.
So I don't want my dog learning that he has the right to jump up and into people's laps when they are sat, like I said, I was in the loo, so I didn't see what happened, I just saw my pup hit the deck when I came out because this stupid girl didn't have hold of him. He will be tethered on a shorter lead every time so he cannot get that close to people.
My bitch, Lola loves kids and she will lick them all over and loves the fuss, but again, where we had the boat moored before when we first had her, all our neighbours who were elderly used to all want to say hello to her, and she would jump up on them because they couldn't get down to her, so now this is a big problem with her she can't help herself but jump up, she is getting there now we have moved, but I don't my new pup learning the same thing as she has.
Like I said, I'm all for education and interaction, but not like this. It just irritates me.
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jun 11, 2013 16:34:52 GMT
I am glad the heel work went well for you dewey64 I would teach your dog not to jump up at people in a positive way of training. Distract him/her with a stuffed KONG, to take his mind off people and block his brain form thinking 'jump up! Jump up!'. Good luck. |
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Post by dewey64 on Jun 11, 2013 20:59:16 GMT
Lol. That's difficult when we are out walking, she just gets told "off" she knows she shouldn't do it because she only half jumps, she never paws its just like a shoulder type jump, she doesn't leave the floor it's just like a rear. Still annoys me though, she does know not to but sometimes she just gets over excited. She gets her ball thrown when she doesn't jump, she is usually fixated on that if I have it in my hand.
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Post by migsy on Jun 11, 2013 21:36:09 GMT
I always found it lovely when people made a fuss of my dogs as pups,what better way to get your dogs used to different people and children? Yes,training is important,but constantly is exhausting for any dog,especially a very young one,and training is meant to be enjoyable too.Ten minutes twice a day is enough for a very young dog.
We all want well trained dogs,but it takes time and patience,it's not a race,nor a sign of a superior owner.
My present dog is coming up to 11yrs,and people still stop to make comments about him or make a fuss of him,and he loves it,especially when children do it.It's much better than meeting those people who recoil at the sight of a dog,and it teaches children that dogs are not horrible animals that will attack them.
Also,as stated by another forum member,my dog comes with me into public toilets,some people smile,some give you a puzzled look,but who cares?(he isn't the one needing the loo!)I wouldn't leave him tied up anywhere out of my sight.
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Post by dewey64 on Jun 11, 2013 22:41:17 GMT
Im sorry but Training should be constant, every hour I spend with my dogs is training, even its waiting at styles and gates and door ways and coming back when that are called. Every time they do something good they get praise. It should never stop. I watch them all the time so I can take advantage of what they are doing naturally and constantly give positive reinforcement to what They are doing. They learn from repetition, the hard core focus training is short and sweet regularly but most of what I do is in play and just teaching them good manners. I get nothing but comments about my first dog and how good she is, my trainer included. . And this is how i brought her up.
I had my own gardening business when we had her so she was with me 24/7 and she is a well balanced pooch that had never given me any problems. Every day was a challenge for her and she loved it. Think of all these working collies, they are 15, 16,17 and still want to go out herding sheep, dogs like the challenge and to be mentally busy, its the lack of this that causes them to be destructive and bored. My 2 have never chewed anything they shouldn't have.
They have what's there's and they know what not to touch. My pup (16 weeks) has loads of plastic bottles to chew but he never touches the one by my bed. He knows its not his and he has knocked it over loads of times, iv watched him. With no promoting from me to leave it. He just does. Odd isn't it how they know. It's made me laugh on several occasions to see him walk away after its just clattered to the floor, when I'm expecting to see him pick it up and come charging down the boat to me with it in his chops. Lol.
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jun 11, 2013 22:55:26 GMT
There's a difference between full on training, the likes of which migsy was referring to, and behaviour shaping (ie. telling your dog off or praising it accordingly) I don't train my dogs 24/7. That would be unfair to any dog. But like any dog owner with common sense, I don't let my dogs get away with anything, and I'm always looking for the opportunity to praise them for something good. Are these two your first dogs? I would be interested to see how a breed with more demanding requirements would do with exactly the same treatment. Some are more challenging than others, for all kinds of reasons, and you make it sound as if training is a doddle. I'd like to see you make Finn (Irish Setter) behave well while you work  Setters are extremely manipulative for just one thing XD |
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