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Post by CollieSlave on Aug 15, 2013 14:02:45 GMT
I completely agree with judypops, however, makeup never saves lives (that I am aware......). It is an accessory not a medience. What I meant by saying 'in most cases makeup doesn't' is that for some people makeup can be all they feel they have and is a creative outlet. Some people can be so self conscious and unhappy that it's all that keeps hem hanging in until it gets better. No very common but it can happen. What tragic people these must be. But I am not convinced that this situation justifies animal testing!!
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Post by judypops on Aug 15, 2013 14:08:01 GMT
What tragic people these must be. But I am not convinced that this situation justifies animal testing!! Neither am I ! I think I veered a bit away from the topic of the thread with that post. My no means do I think testing cosmetics is acceptable. I just think that makeup isn't always about vanity. I guess I've dug myself a bit of a hole here.
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Post by CollieSlave on Aug 15, 2013 14:11:11 GMT
If you don't use products tested on animals do you apply the same rules to medicines? I just don't know to be honest. I have no knowledge on that sort of thing. I hate to say it but I think if it came to it I would, I have to say I'm no matyr. The thing with medicines is, it saves lives. In most cases makeup doesn't. 'It saves lives' - human lives. This is used to justify the torture of innocent animals who have no control over the experiments perpetrated to extend or save the lives of arrogant humans who seem to believe that they are SO far above, and superior to, animals that anything is justifiable in the way of animal suffering if it is in such a good cause. (Like generating cancers in laboratory animals as one example).
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Post by doggiesrule28280 on Aug 15, 2013 14:36:21 GMT
Actually, I sort of understand if they are testing medicine, in science we learnt about mice who were having ears and different body parts grown on them to see if they could attach them to humans if they were deaf so they could. Not really saying I agree with that though! But I seriously don't agree with them testing make up on animals, there's no need!
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Post by petitsfilous on Aug 15, 2013 15:52:47 GMT
Leave the poor animals alone and test makeup and medicines on convicts I say!
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Post by doggiesrule28280 on Aug 15, 2013 22:58:45 GMT
I agree they should test on some prisoners! Not all, because not ALL of them have committed crimes which are that bad, but like that guy in Ohio who held people captive and used them as slaves. He's already got life plus 1000 years, pretty sure he won't be coming out anytime soon, so why not test medicine on him?
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Post by gladys on Aug 16, 2013 23:21:49 GMT
If you don't use products tested on animals do you apply the same rules to medicines? You beat me to that question!! I just don't know to be honest. I have no knowledge on that sort of thing. I hate to say it but I think if it came to it I would, I have to say I'm no matyr. The thing with medicines is, it saves lives. In most cases makeup doesn't. 'It saves lives' - human lives. This is used to justify the torture of innocent animals who have no control over the experiments perpetrated to extend or save the lives of arrogant humans who seem to believe that they are SO far above, and superior to, animals that anything is justifiable in the way of animal suffering if it is in such a good cause. (Like generating cancers in laboratory animals as one example). Can I take it from that statement that you don't take any medications then? I try to buy things that are cruelty free of cruelty, definitely beauty products and the like but I am also on prescription meds and would not have the energy to get out of the house if I stopped taking them. My mum is also on a sizable box of medication and she would have died years ago without them, before she was within reach of 60!! May be it's double standards but should I not take my tablets and slowly get ill just because they were tested on animals at the beginning of their development??
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Post by CollieSlave on Aug 17, 2013 7:14:14 GMT
If you don't use products tested on animals do you apply the same rules to medicines? You beat me to that question!! 'It saves lives' - human lives. This is used to justify the torture of innocent animals who have no control over the experiments perpetrated to extend or save the lives of arrogant humans who seem to believe that they are SO far above, and superior to, animals that anything is justifiable in the way of animal suffering if it is in such a good cause. (Like generating cancers in laboratory animals as one example). Can I take it from that statement that you don't take any medications then?I try to buy things that are cruelty free of cruelty, definitely beauty products and the like but I am also on prescription meds and would not have the energy to get out of the house if I stopped taking them. My mum is also on a sizable box of medication and she would have died years ago without them, before she was within reach of 60!! May be it's double standards but should I not take my tablets and slowly get ill just because they were tested on animals at the beginning of their development?? No! I DO take medications - as it happens I have to take a number of medications daily. But because I DO, it doesn't mean that I agree with what went into producing them using animal testing or the attitudes of people who do or condone the experiments; I am just highly motivated to keep on living and for this I need animal tested drugs. Quite honestly I find it depressing!
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Post by heartpawprints on Aug 17, 2013 7:53:21 GMT
I agree they should test on some prisoners! Not all, because not ALL of them have committed crimes which are that bad, but like that guy in Ohio who held people captive and used them as slaves. He's already got life plus 1000 years, pretty sure he won't be coming out anytime soon, so why not test medicine on him? The problem with that is prisoners are there because of who is ruling at the time and their rules. Witness: a lot of what we know about drowning and how to treat it medically arises from experiments on Jewish people forcibly drowned by Hitler's scientists. It's a deep shame on humanity but none of us would refuse treatment of ourselves or loved ones for drowning I'll wager despite the sickening provenance of the research.
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Post by gladys on Aug 17, 2013 10:22:02 GMT
CollieSlave said: You and me both.
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