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Post by tonib on Feb 19, 2016 14:54:02 GMT
smilesbetter it will be interesting to see how a cat's recovery match or varies from a dog's. I can see an obvious difference - access to litter tray compared to having to take a dog out
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Post by smilesbetter on Feb 19, 2016 16:58:48 GMT
That's true tonib , I imagine it's also easier to keep a dog relatively calm and rested in many ways. I mean I know Rosa would be going stir crazy and trying to get me to play if she had to have cage rest, but Mieze would go mental, and it would be hard to stop her climbing in a cage and having mad half hours, whereas Rosa is pretty well behaved and will lie down when I tell her haha. Haha sorry I'm sure he will be a great patient
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Post by cazypops on Feb 19, 2016 17:48:15 GMT
Oh dear, poor Roman. I hope he's feeling better soon. You gave a very good description of his knee, for me to guess. That and something gypsy said on one of the other threads about cruciate ligaments that rang a bell. I'm just glad they've now found out what is wrong with him and doing something about it. Give him a gentle cuddle from me when you get him back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 22:15:54 GMT
That's true tonib , I imagine it's also easier to keep a dog relatively calm and rested in many ways. I mean I know Rosa would be going stir crazy and trying to get me to play if she had to have cage rest, but Mieze would go mental, and it would be hard to stop her climbing in a cage and having mad half hours, whereas Rosa is pretty well behaved and will lie down when I tell her haha. See now I would have thought it would be the OTHER way around - harder to keep a dog on crate rest (which I've never had to do) as they'll be so used to going out for walks etc Especially a lively breed like a collie or terrier or Springer Not whippets though...if our Tina was owt to go by...being forced to stay in bed would have been her idea of heaven When we had the original Lily (foster cat) in 2011/12 who had a badly broken foreleg she was on crate rest for almost 5 months (don't panic....Lily's leg was broken in a few places...no reason why Roman should be in so long) and she took to confinement in her crate no problem She slept most of the time...ate...used her litter tray....and had an hour or two in the evening next to us on the sofa (supervised so she couldn't jump up or down and damage her leg even more). At least we now know what was wrong with darling Roman and can now concentrate on getting him (and your bank balance!) healed (((HUGS)))
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Post by smilesbetter on Feb 19, 2016 22:54:48 GMT
Haha well you'd think that but with Rosa for example there was one we had to only do gentle exercise (after the vestibular episode) and although I could see she was going a bit mad with the lack of running around, at the end of the day she was easy to control and stop her running about, whereas cats do love their mad half hours if they've got the spare energy haha, remember that kitten who broke his leg recently whose owners were on her Eyes? They had quite a hard time with keeping him from climbing up his cage even haha.
Hopefully Roman is more like Lily then! Mieze would go crazy, but then she's pretty scary in a cage anyway haha, she once managed to tear the door right off one by wrapping her legs around it and pulling it in towards her until it actually came right off! Eek!
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Post by tonib on Feb 20, 2016 0:40:39 GMT
He's in the hospital overnight & I've got to ring between 9 - 9:30 to see how he is & he'll probably be discharged then. Fingers crossed. He'll have at least 2 weeks of cage rest although he'll probably be walking in 2-3 days. After 6-8 weeks, if all goes well he should be back to normal. At least that's what I understood but having looked o the internet I think it might be 6-8 weeks of predominantly crate rest! What I was referring to @gillykat was that dogs need to be taken out to toilet whereas cats are used to just going to the litter tray. If Roman can't/shouldn't walk then using the litter tray in the crate might be more difficult but it could also be the other way around. Also Roman is very much a cat that goes out & about at will so a period of crate rest might send him stir crazy. From the last time he was reasonably accepting thank goodness. the interesting one will be the buster collar - he was very disorientated last time, we've got small food bowls that the cone will go over so feeding won't be an issue, I'm trying to remember if the clip-on water bowls worked with the cone. Until I see how they've stitched etc his leg I'm not getting any other option - I've got the offer of an inflatable or a soft cone from Ajax, but not sure if her sizes will be suitable for Roman but I could arrange to get them over the weekend. The last time his hind leg was operated on, we were eventually allowed to remove the cone so long as we mad sure he didn't get the stitches - Roman was very sneaky & curled up back towards us in the crate so we couldn't see him nibble the stitches. He lost a few but luckily the vet had sensibly put extra stitches in plus more internal ones - a clever vet - so no harm done, the rest were taken out a few days later. However this is more critical.
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Post by scallywag on Feb 20, 2016 7:48:22 GMT
Oh no so sorry to read this about Roman , hope he behaves, good luck with the cage rest, hopefully he will realize its for his benifit ( but I doubt that ) if he wont toilet in the crate will you be putting him on a very short lead to go outside ? This is when its easier if you have a dog HUGS X
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Post by smilesbetter on Feb 20, 2016 7:59:58 GMT
Any news this morning?
Do you find the inflatable collars okay? I got told not to get one before as dogs can easily get around them and I imagine for a cat it would be a piece of cake. Poor lad!
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Post by cazypops on Feb 20, 2016 9:02:45 GMT
My heart goes out to you trying to keep Roman caged once he's feeling more his self. Went we moved and tried to keep Flirty in for a few weeks, it lasted 3 days. He just went bonkers and even went from being a lovely laid back cat to attacking Bandit and he had the run of the house too. It's going to be interesting following his recovery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 9:52:08 GMT
Perhaps we were just lucky with our Lily and she was a naturally laid back cat Fingers crossed that Roman is a good lad and accepts this little bit of confinement (((HUGS)))
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Post by tonib on Feb 20, 2016 19:23:53 GMT
Well he's back home, picked him up around 10 a.m. He's been a really good boy at the vets, the nurse loved him. She gave him his antibiotic this morning & was expecting trouble but he took it very easily He's on 2 weeks crate rest to start with, Elizabethan collar 24/7 & twice daily antibiotics & once daily Metacam. His wound is to be kept cleaned so we can clean it with dilute Hbiscrub (which we already had) He's got an appointment Wednesday afternoon with the vet who did the op for a review & the stitches are anticipated to come out in 10 days. The vet I spoke to this morning (when I phoned to see how he was) said he was ambulatory already but that his paw was curling under. His leg is bald from ankle to halfway up his thigh, it looks like a smooth chicken leg instead of his normal fluffy one - sorry Roman! He's glad to be home but he's having a bit of trouble with his leg with the paw not working as he'd expect but that seems to be improving - we'll keep an eye on that & if it doesn't improve I'll have a word with the vets on Monday or earlier if it gets worse! It was interesting getting him out of the carrier with the e-collar on as well as trying to avoid his damaged leg! He had some Felix (tuna) at the vets & another pouch gradually through the day, especially when I gave him his metacam. hasn't drunk anything yet so not sure if the clip=on bowl is ideal with a e-collar, but he wasn't interested when we gave him a bowl either. The litter tray usage is a bit difficult. We went out & bought him a lower sided one (its almost too small for him as you only get low sided ones in small sizes.) & that seems to have helped a bit. His first use of the litter tray was almost as soon as we got back & I then had to clean out his cage as best I could as litter went everywhere & I also had to clean his foot - I suspect it was left trailed behind him, which probably explains why the crate mat was also wet, think it came off his paw. I wasn't in the room at the time so didn't see what happened. Mark's back now so its a bit easier to deal with Roman - if necessary we can lift him out the crate & hold him if we really need to clean it out fully. It'll be fun clearing up the litter from between the crate & the wall when we can finally take it down, although we may be able to use a nozzle to get most of it before hand. He's used the litter tray since but is digging it up well but at least didn't get urine over his paw this time - it was damp/gritty but not yellow! scallywag We have used a harness on him when we first got him but to be honest he wouldn't find it any easier outside as he'd want to find an appropriate spot which would be under bushes or round the back of the summer house etc. Mind you we've got to be careful when opening the crate as he obviously wants out! Sticking his head (& collar out) ¬ being inclined to move it back! Just keeping an eye on him as he can reach his foot to wash it even with the collar on but it doesn't seem he can reach his wound - but need to make sure - I hope he doesn't need a bigger collar! smilesbetter I've never used the inflatable ones but it was an offer if he won't settle to the e-collar which at the moment he is. Here's some photos of him:- Back from the vets 20160220 P1040138 by osiriscat, on Flickr Op leg 20160220 P1040139 by osiriscat, on Flickr Op wound 20160220 P1040140 by osiriscat, on Flickr
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Post by lotsofcats on Feb 20, 2016 19:37:13 GMT
Glad Roman is home and glad that Mark is back to help you with him. It's a nice clean wound.
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Post by cazypops on Feb 20, 2016 20:39:19 GMT
Glad to see he's back and happy to be home. I agree with lotsofcats, it is a nice clean wound. If he wont settle with the collar could you rig up a garment for him like scallywag did for Beau? Maybe and old baby grow or something like that?
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Post by tonib on Feb 20, 2016 23:32:34 GMT
Thanks lotsofcats & cazypopsHe seems reasonably at ease with the e-collar (for the moment) maybe he remembers how to cope from 4 years ago Although the baby grow style is worth bearing in mind. Ajax makes them out of cuffed sweatshirt sleeves when she's had her kittens spayed but I suspect that Roman may need something a bit bigger! I've looked back at scallywag's photo of Beau in his trousers. Not sure how they were kept on somehow can't see Roman managing to keep them on for long. The biggest problem at the moment is his paw folding under itself which is leading him to leave the whole leg trailing behind him which is also causing the litter tray issues
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Post by cazypops on Feb 21, 2016 0:09:19 GMT
Awww, what a shame, did the vet say what has caused that to happen?
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