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Post by caz2golden on Jan 5, 2016 21:43:45 GMT
Poor Sophie, mum just gets her better from the Horner's syndrome episode and now it looks like she has done her cruciate ligament She has a long term issue with the knee which has had her on carprieve and joint supplement for a long time. (she has regular bloods done to check carprieve is not having adverse effects elsewhere). If memory serves she had loose cartilage within the joint and mum decided on non surgical option, the treatment has had her sound for years. Sophie out runs my two when at the beach and is unbelievably strong on the lead! Yesterday she was paddling in a river that runs into sea and the flow of the water was enough to cause injury. From mums description I was suspicious of cruciate and said that I thought she should take her to the vet, she did today! Vet suspects a partial tear rather than full rupture. She will be x-rayed next week and obviously then decision has to be made on what to do. We are well aware that cause of the cruciate injury is probably due to long term inflammation in that joint caused by the previous joint problem. Does anyone know of non surgical options for cruciate injury? scallywag (as you are the only one I know whose dogs had an issue) what are the surgical options? Just I want mum to have all the options possible when discussing things with the vet when it comes to treatment be it surgical or non surgical. Sophie is now ~12 1/2 yrs so age does play its part in what will be best for her.
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Post by scallywag on Jan 5, 2016 22:03:07 GMT
O gosh, now you got me there caz2golden I may need to re read my thread as there were 2 options I was offered, alls I know is that Beau had something like a band ( to mimic the crutiate ) this was attached and then time had everything internally graft to it. I know I am not explaining this too well, am I gypsy ? cazypops treated Jaspers injury with non surgery successfully with injections. I thought that to identify a cruciate injury it was done under sedation to move the leg/ joint about, not an X ray ? Again I was so upset for Beau I only took half the technical stuff on board sorry. Is she holding the leg up ? Hoping around on 3 legs ?
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Post by orpheous87 on Jan 5, 2016 22:32:24 GMT
Oh no, poor Sophie! I'm not too sure on non-surgical options but I think it might be crate rest for a number of weeks so that the ligament can repair itself. Oscar the JRT has had both of his cruciate ligaments replaced in the same manner that scallywag has mentioned - the band type thing. He's back to running around like he used to but he's half Sophie's age so not sure on anaesthetic risks for an older dog.
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Post by caz2golden on Jan 5, 2016 22:48:23 GMT
I can not remember the exact words mum used to describe how she is hobbling about, however yes scallywag part of the time she is 3 legged. One advantage though is she does not go upstairs or get on chairs etc and she does not take any interest in people coming to front door so rushing about or jumping etc is just not her thing!!
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Post by gypsy on Jan 5, 2016 22:51:14 GMT
scallywag I know what you mean...a band is used to mimic the CCL which stablises the joint and stops the tibia sliding forward during weight bearing. caz2golden sometimes with a partial tear, complete rest for a period of time is enough. No jumping, twisting or stretching! This is really important also for the other rear leg because the dog shifts it's weight to the other healthy leg and this is why dogs often suffer double cruciate tears/ruptures. Laser treatment might be an option but Cartrophen injections are very useful too, helping the healing process and reducing inflammation. If your mum decides on surgery I would insist on pre blood tests to check organ function before proceeding, especially as Sophie has been on Carprieve for some time and given her age. The main types of surgery are the one Beau had where the ligament is replaced with a prosthesis and TPLO which is basically where the anatomy of the joint is recontructed to relieve stress and pain.
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Post by gypsy on Jan 5, 2016 23:06:42 GMT
O gosh, now you got me there caz2golden I may need to re read my thread as there were 2 options I was offered, alls I know is that Beau had something like a band ( to mimic the crutiate ) this was attached and then time had everything internally graft to it. I know I am not explaining this too well, am I gypsy ? cazypops treated Jaspers injury with non surgery successfully with injections. I thought that to identify a cruciate injury it was done under sedation to move the leg/ joint about, not an X ray ? Again I was so upset for Beau I only took half the technical stuff on board sorry. Is she holding the leg up ? Hoping around on 3 legs ? A ruptured cruciate can be diagnosed doing a 'drawer test' which basically involves holding above the knee with one hand and below the knee with the other. You gently push forward with the hand above the knee. If the ligament is torn/ruptured it will slide forward and this suggests instability in the joint. A dog doesn't need an anesthetic for this. Xrays may show it but they will also show the actual damage to the knee joint, the bone and cartlidge, because cruciate tears/ruptures inevitably put stress on these areas and cause irreversible osteoarthritis.
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Post by cazypops on Jan 5, 2016 23:35:13 GMT
Sorry caz2golden I can't really offer any advice on cruciate tears/ruptures as the injury Jasper had was a partial dislocation of the hip. We were lucky in that Jasper was treated successfully with the drug that gypsy mentioned Cartrophen. He has an injection of this every 6 months and he can be on this for life as it's non addictive. It your Mum is offered this treatment I'd seriously give it some consideration, especially given the age of your Mums dog.
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Post by lotsofcats on Jan 6, 2016 12:49:52 GMT
Poor Sophie - as we know from scallywag with Beau it is a long road to recovery.
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Post by caz2golden on Jan 29, 2016 11:47:09 GMT
A rather late update!
X-ray done, initially vets said cos of the amount of arthritis they doubted they could do anything but 10 days latter at a check up a different vet (one who has seen Sophie more and mum knows) has recommended an operation to stabilize it.
She is due for op next week.
I am at parents home at the moment and she can walk on it, she is as such on house rest. Mum and dad are unsure about the operation as she is not going around 3 legged though we do think she is not properly weight bearing on that leg as such she is just stabilizing herself on it! She has even had a play session with Phoebe (supervised)where they play tug with a toy. Phoebe was very good and stayed really calm (compared to how she plays with Gypsy). At 12 yrs old she is not a young dog so mum is concerned about success rate of surgery and getting her through the operation.
Vet is suggesting the operation where they drill a hole through the bone and then use a very strong suture material to go around the joint to help provide stabilization. I guess then with time muscles etc can develop to provide the support for the joint.
You should see how spoiled Sophie is at the moment. She has had sardines, salmon, white fish (I have already told mum to stop the oily fish well in advance of the operation),chicken, eggs, babybel cheese....... She is also getting cooked veg. She is eating like a queen! Must add she is in excellent shape i.e not overweight etc and that these nice things are not all added extras some are replacing some of the tinned/pouch dog meat she usually has. Also the tinned/pouched meat she is getting seems to be slowly being upgraded to things like lily kitchen!!
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Post by zahada on Jan 29, 2016 12:50:22 GMT
Hope things go well if Sophie has the op.
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Post by scallywag on Jan 29, 2016 13:10:43 GMT
Good luck Sophie x
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Post by cazypops on Jan 29, 2016 15:51:12 GMT
Good luck Sophie, and sophie's mum. Let us know how she gets on Caz.
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Post by tonib on Jan 29, 2016 15:56:28 GMT
Hope all goes well for Sophie whatever the decision is.
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Post by orpheous87 on Jan 29, 2016 19:49:09 GMT
Good luck to Sophie! Hope she continues to eat like a queen too!
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Post by smilesbetter on Jan 30, 2016 7:53:18 GMT
Good luck to Sophie for the op, hope it all goes well!
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