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Post by beaglel1fe on Dec 19, 2014 19:10:45 GMT
I am having trouble getting Poppy to drop toys at the moment, especially balls.
She'll fetch it and bring it back but just hold it for aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggggggggeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssss and not drop it at all!!!!!!! She's fine with dropping socks (and other objects she shouldn't have) and is ok with frisbees, she's just not great at dropping balls.
Also please may I add that any methods should not include treats or food. Food easily wins over toys and she won't fetch or play toys with food around.
Thanks in advance and all advice is much appreciated!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by scallywag on Dec 19, 2014 20:00:50 GMT
what tone of voice are you using ? are you saying leave it ? or Drop it ? Beau loves his balls but he will drop it if I say it in a stern voice. If I say leave it well may just as well talk to the brick wall LOL
Good Luck x
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Post by beaglel1fe on Dec 19, 2014 21:13:25 GMT
what tone of voice are you using ? are you saying leave it ? or Drop it ? Beau loves his balls but he will drop it if I say it in a stern voice. If I say leave it well may just as well talk to the brick wall LOL Good Luck x I say drop it and then leave it so she doesn't just grab it back off me again. I'm using a sternish tone of voice. |
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Post by scallywag on Dec 19, 2014 21:19:30 GMT
one command or the other would probably help and be consistent, I say drop it, but if we are out walking and want him to ignore other dogs people etc I say leave it. He knows the difference xx
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Post by beaglel1fe on Dec 19, 2014 21:20:54 GMT
one command or the other would probably help and be consistent, I say drop it, but if we are out walking and want him to ignore other dogs people etc I say leave it. He knows the difference xx Oh great thanks will try!!!! |
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Post by bextull on Dec 19, 2014 22:02:54 GMT
I use the very simple approach of saying the command once (and ONLY once. No point in saying it 20 times because it just teaches them that they can ignore it the first time and wait until you've said it 22 times before they do as they are asked) and simply waiting.
No food required, the reward will be the ball being thrown again and the game continuing. Make sure you are extra enthusiastic when she does drop the ball.
Takes patience but I think you'll find that she soon gets the idea.
Oscar doesn't play with toys anymore but when he did that was how I taught him to "drop it" and he's a stubborn little monster so if it worked for him then it should work for you. But when I say patience I mean patience. We're talking up to 10 minutes here, you must not give in. And Oscar would have been the same as Poppy if I'd taken out food. If food was out then the game was done without exceptions.
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Post by beaglel1fe on Dec 20, 2014 19:33:37 GMT
Thanks for all the advice - tried just now and worked a treat!!!!!
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Post by orpheous87 on Dec 20, 2014 19:39:42 GMT
Ellie doesn't drop balls either, UNLESS, there's another ball to be thrown. So our method was to have two balls and while she was chasing one, get the other ready to be thrown. She'd come back and drop the first ball. I've been lazy and haven't got it on cue, but I imagine that you'll be able to if you get your timing right.
She's another one who would abandon all toys for food too, so I wouldn't attempt to use food while teaching either.
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Post by beaglel1fe on Dec 20, 2014 19:50:08 GMT
Ellie doesn't drop balls either, UNLESS, there's another ball to be thrown. So our method was to have two balls and while she was chasing one, get the other ready to be thrown. She'd come back and drop the first ball. I've been lazy and haven't got it on cue, but I imagine that you'll be able to if you get your timing right. She's another one who would abandon all toys for food too, so I wouldn't attempt to use food while teaching either. I tried that method but she'll just run after it still holding a ball!!!!!!!! |
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Post by alfiemummy on Dec 20, 2014 20:01:49 GMT
Ellie doesn't drop balls either, UNLESS, there's another ball to be thrown. So our method was to have two balls and while she was chasing one, get the other ready to be thrown. She'd come back and drop the first ball. I've been lazy and haven't got it on cue, but I imagine that you'll be able to if you get your timing right. She's another one who would abandon all toys for food too, so I wouldn't attempt to use food while teaching either. I tried that method but she'll just run after it still holding a ball!!!!!!!! Haha Alfie will do that too if you let him! Will she not drop it if you wait longer? I won't throw it at all until he has dropped the other. He will only drop a ball if you have another, though food is of no interest to him if he has a ball as they are his absolute favourite thing in the world. The trouble I have with him is he will pick a favourite between the two balls, he will bring his fave one all the way back but the other one he will only bring back about halfway before dropping it! |
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Post by charlottte on Dec 20, 2014 20:02:52 GMT
YouTube Chirag Patel Drop Training It should bring up a brilliant, hands off method  |
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Post by orpheous87 on Dec 20, 2014 20:16:55 GMT
orpheous87 I tried that method but she'll just run after it still holding a ball!!!!!!!! Haha Alfie will do that too if you let him! Will she not drop it if you wait longer? I won't throw it at all until he has dropped the other. He will only drop a ball if you have another, though food is of no interest to him if he has a ball as they are his absolute favourite thing in the world. The trouble I have with him is he will pick a favourite between the two balls, he will bring his fave one all the way back but the other one he will only bring back about halfway before dropping it! Agreed - I don't throw the second ball until Ellie has dropped the first one. We're at the point now where I just lift the thrower slightly as she runs back and she'll drop the ball. However, a lot of the time I throw the ball as she's approaching so that she doesn't stop running. She drops the ball either before she gets anywhere near me (so I have to run back to get it while she's chasing the second) or she drops it as she runs past me. I've recently discovered that Cody does not like the Chuck-it whistler balls! We have 2 Ultra balls and 2 whistlers, Cody will chase and fetch an Ultra but will only chase a whistler. Once he reaches it and sniffs it, he leaves it where it is! |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Dec 21, 2014 19:02:40 GMT
Both mine are the same when it comes to food. Exchange a toy for food and its done - but then the toy is left for hours until the food is forgotten!! Earl will leave a toy extremely well and reliably, however has more difficulty if we're playing tug with it and I ask him to leave. He doesn't want to loose, so therefore goes stubborn! If I use a firm voice, Earl responds to this quicker, because if I use a light voice he thinks I am playing. He has to know I am completely and utterly serious.
If you throw a toy for Poppy, let her bring it back, and say your drop command firmly, like already said. This one command has to be said once with utter meaning and assertiveness. Like Bextull said, repeating will only make it a command that is allowed to be ignored and has no importance or meaning! When she does eventually drop the toy, say your 'good' or 'yes' command calmly, calmly pick up the toy, and once she can't snatch it back, make a big fuss of her, go playful again, and throw the toy once again. Soon, Poppy will learn (with patience) that dropping the toy for you to take only grants her yet another chain of fetch games! If she gets the toy back again after, she won't be afraid of loosing the toy once she give sit up to you. And remember, feel confident in yourself whilst commanding her to drop, or she will not give it up. She needs to know you're the leader who does what you want with the toys, and they are yours to give to her when you want to play with her. As said, patience is key in this command. You are, at the end of the day, making your dog give up a possession that's valued. Its a little like your mum asking you to give your mobile phone to her!!
I am doing this with Ethel, as she is stubborn and loves toys. She will run away with one if I approach her, therefore I am put chase games on hold so she is not afraid that if I come towards her I will be threatening to take the toy and then take it. She is coming along - good luck, and hopefully Poppy will very soon too! |
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Post by beaglel1fe on Dec 27, 2014 12:00:44 GMT
Thanks so much all for the advice! She'll now do it near enough every time!
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Post by catherine123 on Dec 9, 2016 3:27:38 GMT
There are 3 basic ways to go about getting a dog to drop whatever it's holding in it's mouth under normal circumstances (as in it's not the best sausage in the world and already halfway down it's throat!) if it won't respond to a "drop" command:
Since a dog usually holds items around the front of it's mouth, you should be able to slide a finger behind the object, between the dog's jaw, and push down on the back end of its tongue with your finger. This usually causes the dog to let go of whatever its holding.
Cover the dog's eyes with your hand and then pull the object out of its mouth. This trick doesn't work on all dogs, but most dislike not being able to see and will twist their heads and simultaneously release their jaw when their eyes are covered.
Place your hand over the dogs muzzle and squeeze your thumb and forefinger from each side between the back of its jaw - you'll basically be using the principle of leverage to pry the dog's mouth open.
There's another slightly unorthodox way to make a dog release an object, and that's pulling it straight upwards by the throat with its collar (the emphasis is on straight up - as in completely vertically). This constricts the dog's throat as strangling would and the dog's weight against its own throat is usually enough to make it let go. If the other 3 methods don't work and you're desperate because your dog is holding something dangerous to it or similar you could consider trying this.
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