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Post by Pawsforthought on Jan 4, 2014 19:43:53 GMT
Don't rule out autism straight away. I'm pretty sure Monty is autistic, and this is after a lot of my own research and observations, and others'. He always got attacked right from a tiny puppy, and many people remarked their dog had never done it before (seriously, SO many people said that and I believe them!) He always LOVED dogs and still does, and there was, to the best of my knowledge, no way he harboured any ill feelings to them to warrant being attacked! Now, however, he has learnt to fight with other dogs  He has strange habits and tendencies that other dogs don't, his temperament is in stark contrast to Woody's. He'll take himself away on his own often and seem to want to be alone, but if you drag him out of whatever hole he is occupying, he loves the fuss and attention. He doesn't seem to understand how to seek out attention, even though he really enjoys it. I won't list too many things, but I was reading the Dogs Today article on dog autism (it does exist! but there isn't much research about it at the moment) and Monty ticked almost every box! Some dogs have more symptoms to do with their owners, and Monty is very human-friendly, it's with dogs he really seems to be confused. One thing that REALLY made me like "wow" was that many dogs with autism have upset tummies and very loose stools constantly, and Monty does and always has, despite numerous tests for allergies and infections, numerous different diets attempted etc. If Milo sounds anything like any of this, consider it an option! Doing the research for it is tricky though, it's all over the place online :S |
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Post by miloooox on Jan 4, 2014 21:18:19 GMT
zahada I'm with you on that, living with that family would be a nightmare! As I said on my first post though Milo is showing SOME behaviours that are no where near as extreme as Indiana's. For example the dog ragged the child around the room and down the stairs but Milo has never done anything like that and wouldn't dream of it, he loves kids and is very gentle around them. Oh and to your previous message (I didn't see it before) I am working on the problem behaviours, I started this thread to ask peoples opinions on whether I should ask my vet about ADHD, I'm not just pinning the problems to that and doing nothing about it, I'm obviously going to work on them  gladys I believe dogs can get mental illness' as on our last trip to the vets with Molly we seen a dog thaat had to be put down as it was determined to rip it's own tail off It was very sad. I'm planning on changing his food soon as that could be a possible factor, we're building up to raw as atm he hates the stuff!!! I'll make sure to tell you everything I find out!! We'll hopefully be visiting the vets soon to see what they say Pawsforthought I've had that EXACT same problem, I remember one time I was walking on the local canal with Milo, we seen a boxer and both him and the boxer where on the lead. Both dogs were sniffing and all o fa sudden the dog growled and went for Milo! The man couldn't apologize enough and really couldn't believe what had happened as he said his dog as never done this before! Could you send me the list on PM (if you have it handy) as I can't find much on the internet about it
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Post by zahada on Jan 4, 2014 21:46:40 GMT
zahada I'm with you on that, living with that family would be a nightmare! As I said on my first post though Milo is showing SOME behaviours that are no where near as extreme as Indiana's. For example the dog ragged the child around the room and down the stairs but Milo has never done anything like that and wouldn't dream of it, he loves kids and is very gentle around them. Oh and to your previous message (I didn't see it before) I am working on the problem behaviours, I started this thread to ask peoples opinions on whether I should ask my vet about ADHD, I'm not just pinning the problems to that and doing nothing about it, I'm obviously going to work on them gladys I believe dogs can get mental illness' as on our last trip to the vets with Molly we seen a dog thaat had to be put down as it was determined to rip it's own tail off It was very sad. I'm planning on changing his food soon as that could be a possible factor, we're building up to raw as atm he hates the stuff!!! I'll make sure to tell you everything I find out!! We'll hopefully be visiting the vets soon to see what they say Pawsforthought I've had that EXACT same problem, I remember one time I was walking on the local canal with Milo, we seen a boxer and both him and the boxer where on the lead. Both dogs were sniffing and all o fa sudden the dog growled and went for Milo! The man couldn't apologize enough and really couldn't believe what had happened as he said his dog as never done this before! Could you send me the list on PM (if you have it handy) as I can't find much on the internet about it I don't think that poor dog had any training or exercise. Quite honestly I am not surprised he ragged the child around the room. He lived in a chaotic atmosphere so how would he know any better. |
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Post by miloooox on Jan 5, 2014 2:04:28 GMT
zahada I know, the woman was so casual about the dog biting her children too, it was appalling! The story behind them getting the dog too just shows how little they bothered to prepare for the poor things arrival.
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Post by doglovinggal123 on Jan 5, 2014 14:52:50 GMT
If it concerns you definitely worth mentioning to your vet because only they can give you a definite answer but as smokeybear said one persons 'hyper' is another persons 'normal' so maybe its just Milo's nature I've read that some breeds are just naturally more hyperactive than others so people often think ADHD is a problem but it's just the dogs character:) Like Pawsforthought said don't rule out autism. Just maybe have a chat with your vet and see if they think the symptoms he has are part of an underlying problem like ADHD or autism. Keep us updated? |
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Post by BorderTerrier on Jan 5, 2014 20:08:50 GMT
Would a behaviourist be able to help you solve your problem at all by identifying the behaviour?
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Post by Roo on Jan 10, 2014 8:20:56 GMT
I have a lot of difficulty in believing dogs can suffer from such things. I have a brother with Autism, so I do not think a dog can suffer from something so complex that even scientists and doctors know so little about in humans.
That said, dogs do have brains, and I guess abnormalities in brains can still occur in dogs. But if they can suffer with such, I don't think wild dogs could; it would be quite a disadvantage to their welfare! I think maybe it is more likely to happen within pet dogs because people will always look after them i.e. They have no reason to fend for themselves (excluding strays/abused dogs etc).
I can see why people may believe it, but for now, no :-P
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Post by memjoa on Jan 11, 2014 18:11:35 GMT
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jan 11, 2014 19:21:08 GMT
Roo dogs have an area of their brain dedicated to social intelligence, so why not? I truly believe Monty is Autistic, the more I read the more I'm convinced. The tummy troubles thing was just amazing, I can't believe most dogs thought to be Autistic have chronic diarrhoea! When I did my Psychology A level I talked to my teacher a lot about my thoughts on Monty, and he wholly agreed with me, admitting that as little as experts know about the human brain, even less is known about dogs'.
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Post by Roo on Jan 11, 2014 19:28:39 GMT
I guess I just find it difficult to believe having a brother with it and how difficult it has been with him. And I'm not sure how a dog with autism would be treated; most doctors say that autistic children should be pumped with Ritalin (I think that's the right one!), which I think is just horrible; I wouldn't like to think that people would do that to dogs!
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Post by Pawsforthought on Jan 11, 2014 20:01:11 GMT
Someone from some pharmaceutical company said they'd heard of their magnesium product being used to treat Autistic dogs :S Monty never seemed to be a problem, though I think his tummy problems are to do with chronic stress, which saddens me |
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