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Post by BorderTerrier on Apr 3, 2013 8:36:01 GMT
The coat also depends on the breed mix. One day there will be a tuely mad hair breed...
I hope my head wasn't shaved as a baby lol
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Post by gladys on Apr 3, 2013 12:05:39 GMT
orpheous - I know (hope) you know me well enough now to know I'm not directing this at you but do you think the over the top price tag that people are willing to pay for these cross breeds is because they think they really are NEW breeds like other pedigree dogs?
I've noticed that every where is using the designer names for cross breeds now - Out on the street, in magazines, on Tv, even clare Balding at crufts used them. Is this not making the situation worse??
I have spoken to people at country fairs and dog show and they all think they are the next new breed and not a cross.
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Post by charlottte on Apr 3, 2013 15:59:57 GMT
There's something to so with so many generations and F1 and F2 dogs that have something to do with how 'pedigree' they are. I'm not into breeding though. I imagine this is something SmokeyBear might know something about (as there isn't much SmokeyBear doesn't know!) To me, if a dog has a name that is obvious to tell what is in it Cockerpoo/yorkiepoo/cavapoo/cavachon etc then it will always be a cross breed We had a Cockerpoo and a Cavapoo in work today. They were both pretty, but very hard work!
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Post by gladys on Apr 3, 2013 18:37:17 GMT
Yeah like you I don't have a huge knowledge about it but it's to do with the guarantee look of the puppies isn't it?? You know what you will get with two pure breed Bostons Lets say, but there isn't enough of a gene pool/generations, to mate two cockerXpoodles together and have a guarantee standard. There is a better way of saying that which is more scientific and makes more sense but I can't be bothered to get my brain in to gear and write it!!
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Post by charlottte on Apr 3, 2013 19:39:07 GMT
No no, I know what you mean haha! There is so much variation in them. We get 2 from the same litter in. The boy is reeally tall and chunky with soft, fluffy hair and the girl is very small, slight with quite wiry hair. So even in siblings there is a massive variation
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Post by gladys on Apr 3, 2013 19:52:33 GMT
Oh good glad I made a bit of sense?!?!
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Post by orpheous87 on Apr 3, 2013 20:58:12 GMT
I know what you mean Gladys, and I definitely think there's truth in that! F1 cockapoos are a cocker spaniel mated with a poodle. F2 cockapoos are when a F1 cockapoo is mated with another F1 cockatoo. F1b cockapoos are when a cockapoo is mated back to a poodle or a cocker spaniel. But you can get F2b cockapoos too.
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Post by charlottte on Apr 4, 2013 6:36:05 GMT
F2 cockapoos are when a F1 cockapoo is mated with another F1 cockatoo. Now THAT would be across worth all the money in the world LOL! But yes, that's the thing I was getting at. So what's an F2b Cockerpoo? If F1b is Cockerpoo mated back to poodle/cocker?
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Post by Jessie99 on Apr 4, 2013 16:14:29 GMT
So are you getting a Cockerpoo for certain Orpheous? Sorry, I have't properly read through this the last page of the thread or the second page, just been scanning through! Sorry!
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Post by Jademoo on Apr 4, 2013 16:46:45 GMT
There's some links on the your dog website which are useful for finding places you can get different breeds from:http://www.yourdog.co.uk/component/com_puppyfinder/Itemid,548/view,puppyfinder/ don't know if this helps?..but the best thing you can do it contact the breeders themselves and ask any questions that you have and arrange a visit so that you can check the environment the puppies come from and also if the parents are ok and have no health problems(and if they have been tested to prove that).
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Post by orpheous87 on Apr 4, 2013 19:42:09 GMT
Charlotte - OMG!! Bloody autocorrect! Lol, it refuses to recognise that cockapoo is what I mean! I believe that an F2b cockapoo is when an F2 cockapoo is mated back to a poodle or cocker spaniel. AL - I'm not sure at the moment. I'd like one, but I was really asking about the credibility of the breeders online website! Jademoo - Thanks! I've had a look on there before but there weren't any of the breeds I was considering on there at the time!
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Post by gladys on Apr 4, 2013 22:17:20 GMT
Am I right in thinking that if they keep mating them back with either the cocker spaniel or the poodle you will never get a known look for the puppies?? I don't really see the point in keep breeding back. Why don't they breed mixed with mixed?? I do wonder what the breeders of these pups are in it for, they don't show at champ show etc so are they just in it for the money?? I clicked on the link that smokeybear gave and went on a few sites. There were a few that had 4 or more bitches that were being or had been mated and lots of litters were expected or being planned for this year. Is that not a lot in one year for one household?? Sorry just thinking out loud, with me fingers!!
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Post by charlottte on Apr 5, 2013 15:37:57 GMT
I'd imagine so, because t would bring new blood in so if it was a poodle it might give them more poodle qualities. And I have no idea. I don't understand why people would like to breed a lot of the cross breeds. I can understand goldendoodles/labradoodles/Cockerpoo but all the other crosses I have no idea. I think that if a breeder has more than 3 breeding bothers then it is often a cause for concern. Why do you need that many breeding bitches (money obv) So yes, I believe that is quite a lot Gladys
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Post by Jademoo on Apr 5, 2013 17:30:15 GMT
No problem Orpheous ..It's mainly pedigree dogs on there anyway. If I was to choose a crossbreed I would go with a Puggle. My boyfriend wants a pug but they can have breathing problems and a puggle has a much longer snout so it will be able to breath better without problems that's my justification anyway.
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Post by orpheous87 on Apr 6, 2013 14:02:45 GMT
Gladys - I'm not sure why they don't mate mixed with mixed really. Possibly to do with the inherited genes? I would be inclined to think that some of those breeders do have too many breeding bitches. Whereas, as far as I can tell, the breeder I was looking at only has the one. Having multiple breeding bitches does make me think that they might be in it for the money rather than the love of the dogs, which is sad =(
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